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    Default P650 without .net

    is there any way i can use the powerdesk features without installing the .net framework thing? i dont even know what's that.

    and where's glyph anti-aliasing... been missing out some stuff lately. please help!
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    Default Re: P650 without .net

    Originally posted by diewlei
    is there any way i can use the powerdesk features without installing the .net framework thing? i dont even know what's that.
    Nope sadly you can't .

    Originally posted by diewlei
    and where's glyph anti-aliasing... been missing out some stuff lately. please help!
    Powerdesk -> Quality and performance settings -> Desktop settings -> Matrox Glyph Antialiasing
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    ok i've installed the .net software.
    now trying to get use to the rather "raw" look of glyph anti-aliased fonts.

    now i am confronted by a welcome screen whenever i boot into windows. is there a way i do not need to "log on" when i boot up ie. i go straight to the desktop? i am the only user of the machine. what a hassle to have an extra step of clicking on an icon.

    and yes, i'm on DVI. does giga-colour make a diff. to me?

    thanks ppl!
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    Gigacolor makes no difference for DVI.
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    Hi KeiFront

    That's a known and reported bug, but they haven't fixed that logon thingy
    You can download TweakUI from Microsoft and then in the Logon section clear the checkbox for "Show "ASPNET" on Welcome screen". Then everything will be as usual.

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    Originally posted by diewlei
    now i am confronted by a welcome screen whenever i boot into windows. is there a way i do not need to "log on" when i boot up ie. i go straight to the desktop? i am the only user of the machine. what a hassle to have an extra step of clicking on an icon.
    Originally posted by Peter Aragon
    Hi KeiFront

    That's a known and reported bug, but they haven't fixed that logon thingy
    You can download TweakUI from Microsoft and then in the Logon section clear the checkbox for "Show "ASPNET" on Welcome screen". Then everything will be as usual.

    Good luck,
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    @diewlei: .NET is just a Microsoft programming API. You should have it work XP anyways. I don't know much about .NET, but correct me if I am wrong, .NET applications use less memory?

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    You can delete the .net accounts on your machine, then the login-prompt doesn't show up again.

    .net is the M$-realization of this concept, for linux people are working on .gnu.

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    a_h

    That is not a wise idea. This account is there for a reason, you would need to re-install .NET when you get in trouble when you host ASP.NET applications. Use the Powertoys application instead as it won't break anything.

    .NET applications generally don't use less memory, from an application designers perspective you don't need to worry about memory usage, such as allocating and de-allocating so you tend to get sloppy with efficiency. But depending on the ammount of memory you have onboard the system .NET will choose a strategy to free memory. So if you have a lot of internal memory, you will see the PDesk app take "huge" amounts of memory. This is because memory freeing would waste CPU cycles if it isn't needed. As memory need arrises or during idle time .NET will then free unused memory.

    Indeed, .NET can be regarded as a programming API, but it really is more than that, you can read more about it at the Microsoft site. In the next generation Windows (Longhorn) every aspect of the operating system will be more or less accessible through managed code (.NET code). So as a programmer there would be a lot of advantages to switch from traditional MFC/RTL programming to .NET programming. As an end-user you won't see anything different from the outside, but from the backside the appliication is completely isolated from the system, and only allowed to do stuff as accessing drives/registry/network if that has been allowed during setup. Hopefully that will halt easy spread of worms/virusses somehow, but I first want to see that ;-) Longhorn will still allow running older programs that don't have these isolation methods.

    There is alwasy fear for the unknown... let time tell if that was justified.... I'm programming with .NET since the first beta's of Visual Studio .NET back a few years, and I'm comfortably happy with the level of abstraction they put into it to easily build applications.

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    Hey Peter!

    I always thought Matrox made a wise decision when they switched to .net. Not last it makes it simply to write apps that run on various Win platforms (no need to think about w9x specialities or nt specifics), only that Matrox doesn't use these features (there's no w9x-driver).

    I'm sure that the account has its right to exist, but I don't need it and simply hate it to logon on a system that's used by a single person. And deleting was a quick and dirty solution ;-).

    Another advantage of .net is the loss of dll-version checking (dll-hell). But it wasn't good for matrox too, because lots of people just want to use the newest incarnation of .net - instead of being happy with 1.0. So they had to cope with these troubles again.

    (Personally I cannot see any differences to .net 1.0, no memory savings/faster response here).

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    Given that WinXP doesnt come with .net installed - I find it rather surprising that Matrox are relying on .net for essential driver services... perhaps my G450 will live on a little longer...

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    thanks guys for the great discussion going on.
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    What about simply disabling accounts?

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    @shanebrooks:

    Why not?

    Matrox has no money, so they're impoving their efficency. .net helps in this point, because ideally they don't have to care about any different dll-versions used by w2k/XP/2003...

    At least regarding the powerdesk. The driver itself is a different story.

    But AFAIK you can install the drivers without .net, but cannot use powerdesk.

    @Utwig: think this should work too. But I didn't try it.

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    Well, I'll tell you why I deleted the ASP account. It's because I DON'T F***ING WANT MS CREATING ACCOUNTS ON MY SYSTEM! That's just plain SCARY! Do you see any linux distros creating an account for you? They don't even tell you about it. It's just magically there. It's not needed, the only thing I want .net for is powerdesk, since I don't use any other applications that require .net, I don't think I need the ASP account.

    Pretty much all I use windows for is Games, Mozilla, Yahoo Messenger. That's it, that's all she wrote. Who gave Microsoft the right to create a new user account on my system. I sure as hell didn't. .net 1.0 didn't create this user (as far as I could tell)

    Anyhow, it's not like Windows XP isn't broken in parts anyhow. Enough ranting, just kind of a touchy thing with me....

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