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    Right, so the big difference, I think, is that...

    Right, so the big difference, I think, is that with Delta we also have substantial vaccination. To argue that delta is less deadly you'd have to show that under the unvaccinated, death rates are...
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    So, no surprise, I disagree with basically...

    So, no surprise, I disagree with basically everything you say and imply but this piqued my interest. Is Delta less deadly then Alpha/Beta in itself or were we lucky vaccination was already underway...
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    OK, that sounds promising. On the general...

    OK, that sounds promising.

    On the general situation, BE and NL appear very similar then. Perhaps it is time Flanders splits off and joins us! (Although I would not mind taking a bit of the...
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    Oh my, VJ, good luck to your father.

    Oh my, VJ, good luck to your father.
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    Oh, we are postponing live-saving operations...

    Oh, we are postponing live-saving operations already in a number of hospitals like bypass, cancer etc.

    The number of vaccinated people ending up in the ICU is increasing, mainly the elderly though...
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    I would get one.

    I would get one.
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    Yeah, hang in there. My mother, then 76yo, had it...

    Yeah, hang in there. My mother, then 76yo, had it December last year. Just fever for two days, then recovered nicely (she has more energy than I do). Does not want to get a jab though :(.

    Numbers...
  8. I liked Stranger (not Anime-based, Korean...

    I liked Stranger (not Anime-based, Korean actually) with Doona Bae who also played very well in Sense8 (another great series that got cancelled unfortunately but was granted a finale-movie-episode....
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    But the big news you're waiting for, @FT, no, VJ...

    But the big news you're waiting for, @FT, no, VJ still hasn't posted pics of his appartment :D
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    Well congrats to you both, well done!

    Well congrats to you both, well done!
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    Yeah, I'm fine. Murc is still sort of my homepage...

    Yeah, I'm fine. Murc is still sort of my homepage which implies an easy life as not much is happening here, which I find sad but well..
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    So you are suggesting non-delta strains hit the...

    So you are suggesting non-delta strains hit the Netherlands for like 3-4 weeks in June and in November, coincidentally with the relaxation of limitations?
    Never heard that one before, got a link?...
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    So how do we explain the two surges this year...

    So how do we explain the two surges this year right after measures were relaxed?

    Have you considered that for the 35% family infections, at least one had to introduce it? So if measures help...
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    Our government, who I thought did reasonably...

    Our government, who I thought did reasonably well, has failed us. They relaxed a lot of measures end of June with a huge spike as a result. We went from around 1K daily cases to 10K daily cases in 3...
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    That kept you away. We have balanced the force...

    That kept you away. We have balanced the force recently however and, well, here you are! Welcome back!
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    Which would be solved by booster shots. I...

    Which would be solved by booster shots.

    I have to agree with this. However, that does not mean we discriminate between vaccinated / unvaxxed. Just that the unvaxxed may have more restrictions...
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    All by virtue of having alternatives. Had any of...

    All by virtue of having alternatives. Had any of these been the only vaccine, then they'd be used everywhere. And for good reason: The benefits outweigh the cost.
    I agree that testing should be...
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    Thx!

    Thx!
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    Someone closed the Corona thread?

    By acccident?
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    Were tested. Still being tested, constant...

    Were tested. Still being tested, constant evaluation, you know, like a sysadmin checking reglarly?
    Done. Hardly any.
    The jury is still out on whether vaccines prevent some/many infections though,...
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    Even though vaccinated become infected and...

    Even though vaccinated become infected and spread, they do so for a shorter time at the least, perhaps (significantly) less often as well (conflicting research in e.g. UK and the Netherlands) . I...
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    Although o think I agree that vaccination can't...

    Although o think I agree that vaccination can't be obligatory (but we can have a moral judgement on ppl that refuse), I do think we can and should Institute repercussions such as limited access to...
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    That game was awesome!!!! I watched Dune in...

    That game was awesome!!!!

    I watched Dune in the version where Sting plays the Harkonnen youngster. That movie was so bad, I decided to read the book (can't be worse, may well be better). And it...
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    Orderly withdrawals without a peace agreement. I...

    Orderly withdrawals without a peace agreement. I wonder how many there have been in history.

    Anyway, the blamestorming is underway, guess that will never change. I have no doubt that had Trump won...
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    This is sad. Condolences to his family and...

    This is sad. Condolences to his family and friends.

    RIP neighbor.
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