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  • ATA 33 vs. ATA 66

    ok... here's the deal... my onboard ide controller is only ata33... and i have a quantum cx6.4a HD... which is 5400 RPM and ATA66.... i have some questions

    1. would getting a pci ATA 66 controller increase my speed, such as opening and closing programs... copying files... etc.. etc..

    2. would getting a 7200 rpm HD increase speed if i used the same same controller?

    3. if both helps, which one would have a bigger effect... getting ata66 controller or a 7200rpm HD....

    im asking cos i may buy a new Hardware in the near future....



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  • #2
    1)In theary yes but you wont notice it!

    2) Yes I recomend an 30Gb IBM deskstar ata-100
    3) New hard drive!

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    • #3
      I would suggest you get an IBM 75GPX 7200 hdd as the sustained data transfer rate(as opposed to the burst rate) would get you up to your ata33 max transfer rate easily whereas I doubt that your present disk even with an ata66 controlled will exceed the ibm's sustained transfer rate using your m/b ide controller. if you must have a controller card, get an ata100 one as cost is probably same as ata66 one!

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      • #4
        is there a wormhole around here? posted last message above at 21:15 real time but look at the time of posting 22:25.
        now if I could get things to work the other way round, I know what lottery numbers I'd choose. wishful thinking I guess!!

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        • #5
          ATA66/100 drives will run fine on an ATA33 controller, but obviously only at ATA33 speeds!

          Bear in mind that if you upgrade your mobo at some point, it is likely to have an ATA66/100 controller built in, so your addin card won't then have much use, and is likely to have a low resale value.

          Unless you do stuff that involves sustained disk transfers, you're probably better off just upgrading the disks and not worrying about the controller at this point.
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          • #6
            cking4@fod.com: hmm... yes... actually i did try that UDMA switcher, and doesnt make any difference, its actually made for the ata33 controllers that have problems with the HD in ata66 mode... but there is no problem....
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            ayoub_ibrahim: yes... thats what i was thinking, since a rotational speed of 5400 would limit how much it can read in a sec.. correct me im wrong...
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            guru: hmm... i wouldnt notice it... i guess i will get a new HD next..
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            bursar: ata33 speeds? u mean 33megs/sec... thats good enuf...im almost 100% sure im not getting that right now... although it would be very nice....
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            btw, if i ran a benchmark what should the read/write speed be on my HD?


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            P5A-B AMD K6-266@300
            Matrox Milleniumm G200 AGP (oh, lets party)
            Creative SB Awe32 (a classic, superb card)
            Realtek 8029A NIC Card
            64meg Ram
            Ali V agp chipset
            ICQ UIN: 24730025

            [This message has been edited by nehalmistry (edited 28 November 2000).]
            <font size="1">Gigabyte GA-6VXC7-4X MoBo
            VIA Apollo Pro 133a (694x/686A) chipset (4x agp, UDMA 66)
            Celeron II 733 CPU (coppermine 128)
            128meg (2x64) 133mhz SDRam
            Matrox Milleniumm G200 AGP 16 mb
            Creative Sound Blaster Live! 5.1 Digital model 0100 (MP3+, Gamer)
            Quantum LM 30 gig HD 7200 RPM UDMA 66
            Realtek 8029A NIC Card
            Optiquest V775 17" Monitor
            Actima 36X CD-Rom
            Advansys 510 SCSI Card (ISA, but good enuf for my burner)
            Yamaha 6416 CD-RW
            Windows 2000 (primary)
            Slackware Linux 9.0(secondary/emergency)</font>

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            • #7
              The only way you'd notice is if you put two fast ATA66 or ATA100 drives on an ATA33 RAID card like the Fasttrak33.

              Two fast ATA66 drives combined could potentially be capable of a faster throughput than an ATA33 RAID card can handle and cause a loss of performance.

              Example:

              I have a RAID set up with two Maxtor 40g ATA66 Plus 40 drives. Their combined throughput on either a Fasttrak66 or Fasttrak100 (I've tried both) hovers around 42 mb/s sustained sequential writes.

              Putting these same drives on a Fasttrak33 would not let them perform up to their potential because of the limitations placed on them by the ATA33 controller.

              Dr. Mordrid

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              • #8
                yes, increased disk speed=lower seek time.
                can't give you a benchmark for your disk but I've seen people reporting sandra scores of about 14000 with the ibm ata100 drives using the m/b ata33 controller(vs 13000 for ibm ata66 referance value)

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                • #9
                  For your reference

                  Sandra tests IBM 30G GXP - 17156
                  Sandra tests IBM 45G GXP - 18477
                  Sandra test Fujitsu 20G ATA66 7200RPM - 13161

                  Both IBMs are ATA100 on Intel 815e mobo

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                  [This message has been edited by LvR (edited 28 November 2000).]
                  Lawrence

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                  • #10
                    2xIBM 30Gb Raid 0 45000+

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                    • #11
                      Yep - If you want the best RAID it!!
                      Lawrence

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                      • #12
                        Anybody RAIDED a SCSI yet?
                        Lawrence

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                        • #13
                          SCSI RAID 0 on Win98 for the last 19+ months.

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                          • MYLEX FlashPoint RAID+ (BIOS v2.02N) running RAID 0 on two 9 GB IBM DDRS 39130D Disks
                          • Diamond MX300 sound card, now with MX25 S/PDIF output
                          • Matrox Millennium G400 Max Dual Head - English
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                          • US Robotics 56K Voice FaxModem Pro
                          • Pioneer DVD-303S SCSI
                          • Note--All SCSI devices (except disk drives on RAID) are connected to onboard AIC7890 U2W SCSI
                          • Mainly running Win98 v4.10.1998
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                          • #14
                            quoted from LvR :
                            "Sandra tests IBM 30G GXP - 17156
                            Sandra tests IBM 45G GXP - 18477
                            Sandra test Fujitsu 20G ATA66 7200RPM - 13161

                            Both IBMs are ATA100 on Intel 815e mobo"

                            LvR, are the above GPX scores from your own machine? I'm only asking as those scores are lower than one should expect using the ata100 controller on that board with the ibms! typically scores of between 20000-22000 is what most people report.
                            are your drives using udma 5??

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                            • #15
                              well here are my results...

                              first result: 9413
                              second result: 9013


                              some other results

                              sequential read: 12 m/s
                              sequential write: 11 m/s
                              randon read: 4 m/s
                              random write: 4 m/s

                              avg. acces time: 11ms


                              am i toping out for my hardware?


                              ------------------
                              P5A-B AMD K6-266@300
                              Matrox Milleniumm G200 AGP (oh, lets party)
                              Creative SB Awe32 (a classic, superb card)
                              Realtek 8029A NIC Card
                              64meg Ram
                              Ali V agp chipset
                              ICQ UIN: 24730025
                              <font size="1">Gigabyte GA-6VXC7-4X MoBo
                              VIA Apollo Pro 133a (694x/686A) chipset (4x agp, UDMA 66)
                              Celeron II 733 CPU (coppermine 128)
                              128meg (2x64) 133mhz SDRam
                              Matrox Milleniumm G200 AGP 16 mb
                              Creative Sound Blaster Live! 5.1 Digital model 0100 (MP3+, Gamer)
                              Quantum LM 30 gig HD 7200 RPM UDMA 66
                              Realtek 8029A NIC Card
                              Optiquest V775 17" Monitor
                              Actima 36X CD-Rom
                              Advansys 510 SCSI Card (ISA, but good enuf for my burner)
                              Yamaha 6416 CD-RW
                              Windows 2000 (primary)
                              Slackware Linux 9.0(secondary/emergency)</font>

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