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  • P4@1.5 GHz same speed as a PII@1GHz!!!

    ZDNet UK has an editorial stating that the Pentium 4 1.5GHz will only be as fast as a 1GHz P3. Wow, where do they find this great information? All around, the article is all right, but for some reason he at first states that he won't be buying a P4, then in the conclusion he says he'll buy it just to play UT. Perhaps the writer could save a few grand and get a faster DDR SDRAM Athlon computer? Anyway here's a bit:

    The question you have to as yourself is: "Who didn't know about Intel's Little Willy problem?" Who was it who had to be kept in the dark?
    It certainly wasn't Intel's rivals. I've been talking to them; they not only know that it's slow, but they know how slow. And they know why it's slow, too.
    The people who didn't know, sadly, are the suckers. Not you and me, hopefully; but the people who are in Intel's pocket. That's the PC makers. I've been talking to them, asking them about why they are launching a machine which is vastly more expensive than a Pentium III, but not noticeably faster. "But it's 1.5 GHz!" they exclaimed. "Obviously it's faster! they all said.
    Exactly how it performs, you'll find out from a whole host of sources come Monday morning. I haven't been able to run any bench tests, but I've been able to speak to people who have, and the tests are commonly available enough that the news hasn't been entirely suppressed: and if you want it in simple terms, then it's going to be something like this:"The Pentium 4 at 1.5 GHz will run ordinary Windows at roughly the same speed as a Pentium 3 at 1 GHz."


    (AMDzone article)


    [This message has been edited by alessandro (edited 18 November 2000).]
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  • #2
    AMDzone article, hmmm...
    Someday, we'll look back on this, laugh nervously and change the subject.

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    • #3
      It's a ZDNET UK article(can't you see the link)...i just got the link from AMDZone.

      You see a CPU with 20 stage pipelines (P4) can only have good performance with a BIG increase in MHz.

      From Tomshardware:

      To demonstrate the bandwidth sensitivity of the WME test, we conducted a few experiments. In the first graph, we ran the WME test while varying the front side bus speed. As is clearly evident, FSB speed is even more important than clock speed as the slower 525MHz PIII dramatically outperformed the faster 533MHz PIII due to its higher FSB speeds.

      This performance delta will be much higher at the clock speeds the P4 will be introduced at as the CPU dependencies of this benchmark should diminish roughly linearly with clock speed. The Pentium 4 has a FSB three times as fast as the Pentium III which alone suggests about a 100% gain in performance even at the same clock speed. Intel's results show an incredibly small 7% improvement over the PIII at the same clock speed, suggesting terrible IPC performance from the Pentium 4.



      Happy now

      [This message has been edited by alessandro (edited 18 November 2000).]
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      • #4
        You're missing the point...here's a processor powered not by electricity, but by marketing!
        Look at that big '4' after it! And look at the amount of times per second it oscillates!! That will be enough for some people.

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        • #5
          I hate to repeat myself...

          Tom's hardware, well...
          Someday, we'll look back on this, laugh nervously and change the subject.

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          • #6
            This is not news to people who have been following up this sort of thing. .18 P4 is a marketing ploy to get back market share. .13 P4 will be the real thing. Should be more interesting when AMD goes multiprocessor
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            • #7
              Impact,

              Don't tell me!!!!! the only site you trust is www.intel.com
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              • #8
                Ok, first off, Tom's Hardware is FAR from a reliable source for information, but is very reliable for disinformation.

                Second, how the hell does he figure that a 300% FSB increase will lead to a 100% performance boost at the same clock speed? Does he base that off his other experiment with P3's? Or does he have any real reason to say such a thing?

                Just want to know.

                b
                Why do today what you can put off until tomorrow? But why put off until tomorrow what you can put off altogether?

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                • #9
                  How about this ones:

                  P4 1.4Ghz Sandra 2000 256Mb RDRAM:

                  Click here


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                  • #10
                    quote:

                    "The "Spy" hehe, managed to enter the restricted area of an high-tech company, and ran SiSoft Sandra 2000 to give you these nice screenshots. "

                    Do you really believe everything you read on the net (especially things written like this)? When I see it, I'll believe it.


                    Someday, we'll look back on this, laugh nervously and change the subject.

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                    • #11
                      Please post back tomorrow after reading the reviews
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                      • #12
                        Impact it seems that the previous reviews are 100% correct HAHAHAHa.

                        Official Pentium 4 benchmarks from c't (with Athlon comparison)[taken from Silicon Investor]

                        As promised here they are (table can be best read in 1024x768 resolution, best scores in bold):


                        Benchmark P4 1.6 P4 1.5 P4 1.4 K7 1.2 (DDR) K7 1.2 (PC133)

                        3DMark 2000 (T&L) 9409 9162 8867 9624 8742
                        3DMark 2000 (SW) 6439 6174 5979 6443 5632
                        Quake 3 Fastest 211.0 199.5 192.6 166.0 143.6
                        Quake 3 HQ 146.7 145.4 144.2 137.3 125.4
                        Unreal: Tourn. 49.3 47.4 45.9 50.6 44.7
                        SYSMark 2000 (W98) 193 185 177 220 205
                        SYSMark 2000 (W2K) 217 208 199 232 221
                        PovRay 3.1 834 783 691 960 948
                        Cinema 4D 14.1 13.2 12.4 16.2 16.1
                        SPECint2000 (opt.) 477 429 385
                        SPECint2000 (MMX) 428 443 366
                        SPECfp2000 (opt.) 503 362 265
                        SPECfp2000 (MMX) 417 334 260

                        Benchmark systems:

                        - Pentium 4: 1.5 GHz (over- and underclockable to 1.4 - 1.6 GHz), Intel i850 reference board (boards from Asus made no difference), 256 MB PC800 RDRAM (under Win98 limited to 128 MB, but not under Win2000), Asus 77000 GeForce 2 GS with Detonator 3 v6.31, DirectX 8.0 Beta 219

                        - Athlon (DDR): 1.2 GHz, 128 MB PC2600 DDR RAM CS2.5, AMD760 reference board, Asus 77000 GeForce 2 GS with Detonator 3 v6.31, DirectX 8.0 Beta 219

                        - Athlon (SDR): 1.2 GHz, 128 MB PC133 SDRRAM CS3, Asus A7V motherboard, Asus 77000 GeForce 2 GS with Detonator 3 v6.31, DirectX 8.0 Beta 219

                        SPEC scores are optimized with the latest compiler from Intel and Compaq (also beta version) and are base scores. Officials scores from AMD and Intel should be higher due to further tweaking and finetuning (aka cheating).


                        And you can check that the P4 systems have double the RAM and Still can't make the difference HAHAHA


                        [This message has been edited by alessandro (edited 19 November 2000).]
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                        • #13
                          That link is from a messageboard, and guess what the title is.

                          Yep you got it "AMD zone".

                          So much for your 100% correct objective reviews.

                          (Don't get me wrong, I really hate to sound like an intel man, eventho I have an intel cpu now and am very satisfied with it; if I were to buy a cpu today it would be a Duron; but the way you alessandro backup you arguments seem just horrible to me).

                          [This message has been edited by impact (edited 19 November 2000).]
                          Someday, we'll look back on this, laugh nervously and change the subject.

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                          • #14
                            Then i have to wait for tonight reviews, impact.

                            (No offence but i'm just having fun with P4 results...that's all :P)
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                            • #15
                              Amd believes that a 1.2 GHz Athlon will outperform a P4 at 1.5 GHz, and will not release a 1.5GHz Athlon as intended by newyear.

                              HAHAHAHA!!!!!

                              Love AMD

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