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  • Fat Tone, what's your take on Myers Briggs and cognitive functions

    So recently I read up more on this (I've been aware of this for a few years) and it makes me understand people around me and myself a lot more.

    To sum it up. There is subconscious and unconscious. An individual early picks up one of 4 functions and chooses to use it either inward or outward, then he picks the 2nd function, the 3d and 4th are then opposites of 1. The opposite of one would be the 5th,...

    The Myers Briggs is an application of Jung archetypes and the test characterizes person into one of 16 types. Types are by no means conclusive as people are tuned to different extent and some may be using their shadow functions or be biased in reporting.

    The 4 functions are (introvert, extrovert)
    Sensing (sensory memories of the past or living new sensory experiences)
    Feeling (personal values, values of society)
    Thinking (organization, contingency planning
    Intuition (knowing the answer out of many abstract possibilities, symbols or exploring many different random paths all at once and coming to creative idea)

    The test categorizes person as:
    Introvert/Extrovert (this has more to do with whether people or solitude energize you and more with where your sensing or primary functions is looking)
    Sensing/Intuiting
    Feeling/Thinking (more values/more rational data in decision making)
    Judging/Perceiving (prefer to have things concluded , past / to have options open or closed)

    By primary functions you have 4 main temperaments:
    SP (sensing, perceiving) artisans (think Mila Kunis), SJ (Sensing/Judging) guardians/patriarchs (think Hilary Clinton), NF (iNtuitive Feeling) idealists (think Edgar Allan Poe), NT (iNtuitive Thinking) rationals (think Bill Gates)

    All functions are good if well developed. (think great drummer, great department driver, great model, great teacher, great IT guy, great exec...) One would excel and suck in different position (this is not to say that only one type is suitable for something, only they would have different drive and different style of doing it - if they could adapt, they could excel)

    This has all sorts of implications. Opposite types don't get along too well, types only slightly different get well along. We get attracted to opposite types. ENTJs have by far highest and INFP lowest income in USA. Your typical suburbia housewife is ESFJ. Some types are better suited for different taks, generally someone with good intuition and thinking would make great IT guy, someone with good extrovert sensing would be great at sport, playing instrument, crafts... Different types have different drivers behind their decision making and it's much better to understand than to change people (it's almost impossible to change, much better to improve).

    For example only 25% of people in USA are intuitive, so this is why geeks have few friends. We get attracted sexually to opposite, so this is why nice girls like bad guys.

    From your writing style it can be inferred which type are you so adds can be targeted more effectively online. Social media probably knows about your future girlfriend before you.

    Understanding cognitive functions can explain why people act the way they do (totally alien to you) better.

    Read more: Keirsey, Please understand me (buy/borrow a book or find pdf)

    Brief Type explanation: http://www.keirsey.com
    Celebrities: http://www.celebritytypes.com (I don't think all are correct)

    Here is the short test: http://cognitivequiz.com/quiz.html (pick 1-2/3)
    Regular test: http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/jtypes2.asp

    Profile your facebook friends on their posts (inconclusive but very very good): http://labs.five.com/ (Open = intuitive, Agreeable = feeling, Conscientiousness = judging)

    I have mostly intuitive friends and have few sensors in my social circle. Based on this being IT place, I'd say we're mostly of the NTP/NTJ/NFP variety.
    Last edited by UtwigMU; 20 June 2014, 21:33.

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    May I summarise it into a single sentence:

    Each person is an individual whom you cannot categorise?
    Brian (the devil incarnate)

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    • #3
      I don;t buy MB type indicators as scientifically sound but then it is very hard to test such categorisations. Is it useless therefore? No, not in my opinion. Just getting a team to think about the way they act/interact with a rather simple model as MB help people realise how they can consciensly communicate with each other, e.g., if your superior is introvert and you want to get things done, you may approach him/her differently then an extrovert superior. Same for colleagues and subordinates.
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        By primary functions you have 4 main temperaments:
        SP (sensing, perceiving) artisans (think Mila Kunis), SJ (Sensing/Judging) guardians/patriarchs (think Hilary Clinton), NF (iNtuitive Feeling) idealists (think Edgar Allan Poe), NT (iNtuitive Thinking) rationals (think Bill Gates)
        That right there summarizes me in a nutshell: me the craftsman/woodworker/sometime-illustrator adequate at all but not enough so to be really good at any, me an emerging patriarch in the family structure/overprotective grandparent at risk of occasionally sounding patronizing, me the idealist beneath the misanthropic cynicism, and me the Rationalist who analyzes everything to death. A proverbial "jack of all trades, master of none" if there ever was one, who has never fitted into any category.

        [edit]Edgar Allan Poe an idealist? Is that an eastern-europe thing?
        Last edited by KRSESQ; 22 June 2014, 11:05.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by KRSESQ View Post
          That right there summarizes me in a nutshell: me the craftsman/woodworker/sometime-illustrator adequate at all but not enough so to be really good at any, me an emerging patriarch in the family structure/overprotective grandparent at risk of occasionally sounding patronizing, me the idealist beneath the misanthropic cynicism, and me the Rationalist who analyzes everything to death. A proverbial "jack of all trades, master of none" if there ever was one, who has never fitted into any category.

          [edit]Edgar Allan Poe an idealist? Is that an eastern-europe thing?
          That description would fit the intuitive perceiving type, most likely NTP

          Take my example, I'm also a jack of all trades. CEO wannabe but there's only me to boss around in my company, a moderate martial artist, a graphic designer once, good sysadmin.

          It's not an Eastern Europe thing, I wish Slovenia was more like Eastern Europe, we took the German love of fun and love of rules and bureaucracy and Balkan work ethics instead of vice-versa. It's more like your typical suburbia dad who goes to Sears every week to buy something to build or your typical accountant would discount emotion and not have the drive to write poems. Intuition and feeling as dominant function > sense of art (friend real life examples: graphic designer, architect, custom jewelry maker, calligraphist, opera singer, drummer - some of those are just hobbies but most NF friends have sense of art and clothes they pick go very well together).

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          • #6
            I'm not a psychologist, but I do know that the MBTI is used extensively for personality typing. I also know that I and my (developer) team are completely different types to my psychologist colleagues.

            My company specialises in Strengths, and provide development tools and assessment/selection tools based on that. Realise2 helps a person identify their personal strengths and provides advice through the 4M model to make appropriate use of strengths, minimising weaknesses and marshalling Learned behaviours. In the team setting we combine the profiles of several individuals and advise on how best the team can operate together. The results are quite amazing. More detail via http://www.cappeu.com/Realise2.aspx

            For selection purposes, we map a job role for the strengths required to perform well in that role then put people through our Situational Strengths Test - a strengths based version of the Situational Judgement Test. http://www.strengthsselector.com/page.aspx/Home This is mainly used for volume sifting, where there may be 20,000 to 100,000 annual applications for a few hundred positions.

            The benefits of Strengths over the traditional competency and personality routes are massive. Employees recruited for strengths are higher performers, are happier, stay in post longer, are trained quicker etc etc etc
            FT.

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            • #7
              Thanks for the marketing jumbo-mumbo! ;-) :d
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              • #8
                Hehe, sorry if it seems that way. I can only tell you about what I know, and the website will probably make a better job of explaining it.
                FT.

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                • #9
                  Dude! If all we ever did here was talking about things we knew about, it'd be rather quiet!.... uhm, it can be can't it?
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