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VJ
19th February 2013, 05:32
Hello,

I'm in the market for a decent, compact 5.1 setup, to connect to a Marantz SR6001. I asked about speaker impedance before, as I was considering some Scandyna speakers that were 4 Ohm and I was not sure they would go well with the amplifier. At the time, I did not have the amplifier yet (it was in Belgium, I was in Poland).

Now, amplifier is here, renovations are almost over, and I can finally think about connecting everything. I can get a very good deal (approx 35% off) of these speakers:
http://www.bostona.eu/pl/loudspeakers_speakersystems_soundwarexs51.php
(sorry for the Polish link, the series is not on an English language website)

This puts them at far less than half the price of the Scandyna speakers, at they get surprisingly good reviews:
http://www.whathifi.com/Review/Boston-Acoustics-Soundware-XS

Any opinions on this set or on Boston Acoustics in general?

I was also thinking that if the centre speaker is not good enough (movies are important), I could get this one:
http://www.bostona.eu/pl/loudspeakers_center_a225c.php?dc=5131&gc=&
and then get one more of those small satellites (they are sold by piece), and either turn it into a 7.1 system, or connect them as front speakers A and B (which might give a better sound distribution). But this would only be if it turns out to be necessary. So first thing: is the set interesting?

Any thoughts?


Jörg

Umfriend
19th February 2013, 06:09
Hello,
Hi!

renovations are almost overOMFG, ROFL.

Other than that, I am not into anything other than 2.0 so can't help I'm afraid.

Fat Tone
19th February 2013, 09:11
In equally helpful mode:

Have you considered a sound bar instead of lots of discrete speakers?

VJ
19th February 2013, 09:17
Well, I don't really like the soundbar... Particularly because the setup would not be symmetrical in the room (consider the room as a rectangle with 2 halves: |___:_^_|, and the front of the setup would for instance be where the ^ is). As most soundbars use reflection on side walls, it would not really work. And all the cabling is in place, I have the amplifier, just missing the speakers.

xortam
19th February 2013, 12:42
I've always auditioned speakers myself with various samples of music that I was familiar with. That made the decision process very easy.

In regards to 5.1, I'm among the camp that likes the speakers all at the same height and of the same make to maintain the character of the speaker. KEF's all around here though with a Velodyne sub.

VJ
16th August 2013, 02:23
Just got the Boston Acoustics Soundware system.
The speakers are really small and look nice. The plastic is shiny black, but feels high quality. The subwoofer has a matte and more rough feeling, but it feels also high quality and scratch proof (have not tested this). They are connected to the Marantz SR6001.

At the moment, everything needs to be configured (all amplifier settings are default, no equalizer), and the speakers need to get their final position, but the sound feels good. Radio playback was a bit disappointing (and I feared the speakers would not sound well), but playing back a movie really sounded nice. Once I run the amplifiers Audyssey system to adjust it optimally, I'll have a better grasp on it, but so far sound is more than what I would expect from such small, relatively cheap speakers.

Umfriend
16th August 2013, 02:29
OT: This is something I do not understand: I am very pleased with mu audio setup (2.0), music playes very well, clear whether at low or high volumes. Radio however.... I really need to put quite a bit of volume on before I find (talk) radio understandable/clear. No clue why that is and it is annoying to the max.

VJ
16th August 2013, 02:58
Yes... In my case FM really lacks clarity and detail. I wonder if it is really an FM limitation, a result of how it is stored on the station (low quality mp3) or that the transmission is adapted to the ears of most youngsters (who are used to listening to mp3 and getting deaf anyway)... My car radio manages better, but it does some processing on the audio.

Umfriend
16th August 2013, 04:09
I'm talking about, for instance, live talk radio. I can't imagine that being processed through low-quality mp3. But yeah, my car gives me better, how do you say, understandable? audible? voices.

Jammrock
16th August 2013, 08:40
Missed the thread :(

B&W is a good brand of speaker. I've enjoyed their handwork for many years. I would audition their Mini Theater line.

http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/Speakers/Theatre_Solutions/Mini_Theatre/overview.html

If you hadn't already gotten the BA these would have been a good audition.

Umfriend
16th August 2013, 13:57
I've always found B&W dull-sounding (which is why they are easily paired with the rather agressive Denons). Of course, KvH would curse me now.

Jammrock
17th August 2013, 17:56
I've always found B&W dull-sounding (which is why they are easily paired with the rather agressive Denons). Of course, KvH would curse me now.

That may be, but for the money I haven't found anything better. Most of the speakers in the price range sound very harsh or muddled to me.

I love the Martin Logan sound. Their speakers are just a bit out of my price range. And knowing my kids they would poke holes in the mylar.

My favorite speakers are Wilson Audio. Those cost as much as a car.

Umfriend
18th August 2013, 01:11
I'm talking about $2K for amp+2speakers in 2000, not exactly high-end. I admit, I would not know what to by for that money today.

VJ
18th August 2013, 04:22
My parents have those B&W speakers, and they sound good. But they are in a different pricerange. Through some loyalty program at the bank, I could get the Boston Acoustics at nearly half price, which put them at about 400 euro for the 5.1 set. I did not want something big and read good comments on them, so I decided to risk it.
For their price and size, they surprise me in a positive sense. They are really small and easy to mount: the set has all necessary mounting brackets, which for me now is ideal. For sure there are better speakers, but considering all aspects (price, size,...) it seems a good buy. I still need to hang them and adjust the amplifier (it has thia Audyssey room correction), but even with everything set to neutral, it sounds good.

Greebe
18th August 2013, 19:24
None of the above? ;) PM me

Currently building a stereo pair, WWMTMWW or a WMTMW + WW or a MTMWW + WW per stereo channel LOL

M and W are 6.5"midbass subs, tweeter is a AMT run active using a MiniDSP and 8x90w channels

12 midbass's + 2 AMT's total

Range 27-20k+

The first one stands ~6.5' tall is ~12" deep and 21" wide. Front baffle is 7" where it rounds over on a large radius out to the 21" width. From widest point, the arced back is only 3" deep. There is a 4" spline in the middle of the back running top to bottom. Others are shorter versions, about foot less and are designed to be placed against the wall (ultra difficult todo properly, why you don't see them) Cross section looks like a squashed (flattened & stretched) cardioid.

Not in your budget, but think we may be able to steer ya in the right direction :)

Umfriend
18th August 2013, 22:25
A picture paints a thousand words and we want thousands of words from you.

Greebe
20th August 2013, 18:23
A friend of mine, Juha Sirkka from Jyvaskyla FI just wrapped up (99.8%) his latest creation called the Aino Gradient, active open baffle Quasi Dipole 4 way's.

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/multi-way/231353-aino-gradient-collaborative-speaker-project-9.html#post3598889

I was still sorting out what I haven't used in decades when he started this project, which was inspired by the designer of the Helsinki Gradient 1.5, but helped him get the final tweaking of the MTM done. Exceptionally nice guy :)

He's in Helsinki today http://www.aes.org/conferences/51/

VJ
21st August 2013, 01:59
A picture paints a thousand words and we want thousands of words from you.
So not just from me? ;)

Greebe
21st August 2013, 11:03
Gawd I don't know wth.eck happened last night, one minute was putting the final touches on a massive post and in an instant was gone, poof into the ether

Looked at my watch: 12:30am, I'm too tired to repeat what took me two hours +

A colossal waste /sigh

Anywho, here is how to proceed:
1. What music do you listen to, list every style (so to speak, not EVERYTHING ;)
2. Expectations of such e.g. Sound pressure level etc
3. Size of room, need dimensions, furnishings, windows, doors, open adjacient rooms, NEIGHBORS?! etc
4. Is there any additional equipment that will be part of this you want to use?

Once we get this info we can proceed with a Q/A session to answer each aspect til we have a foundation to build upon.

Please understand this is way more complex than you may think (perhaps not), so takes time to put everything into perspective. But I'm a glutton for designing speakers, so hit me with it. :)

Cheers,
Mike

Greebe
21st August 2013, 11:21
So not just from me? ;)

How much do you want to disturb that woman downstairs? MOOWHAHAHAA! :D

VJ
22nd August 2013, 00:42
Looked at my watch: 12:30am, I'm too tired to repeat what took me two hours +

A colossal waste /sigh

Sorry to hear... yes, it sometimes happens...



Anywho, here is how to proceed:
Once we get this info we can proceed with a Q/A session to answer each aspect til we have a foundation to build upon.

Please understand this is way more complex than you may think (perhaps not), so takes time to put everything into perspective. But I'm a glutton for designing speakers, so hit me with it. :)

Nice to hear! But I resurrected the thread after buying the speakers, just to comment on how they are. So I have the speakers... :)