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    There go the climate models, again....

    Link....

    Cold water ocean circulation doesn't work as expected

    May 13th, 2009

    The familiar model of Atlantic ocean currents that shows a discrete "conveyor belt" of deep, cold water flowing southward from the Labrador Sea is probably all wet.


    New research led by Duke University and the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution relied on an armada of sophisticated floats to show that much of this water, originating in the sea between Newfoundland and Greenland, is diverted generally eastward by the time it flows as far south as Massachusetts. From there it disburses to the depths in complex ways that are difficult to follow.

    A 50-year-old model of ocean currents had shown this southbound subsurface flow of cold water forming a continuous loop with the familiar northbound flow of warm water on the surface, called the Gulf Stream.

    "Everybody always thought this deep flow operated like a conveyor belt, but what we are saying is that concept doesn't hold anymore," said Duke oceanographer Susan Lozier. "So it's going to be more difficult to measure these climate change signals in the deep ocean."

    And since cold Labrador seawater is thought to influence and perhaps moderate human-caused climate change, this finding may affect the work of global warming forecasters.
    (gee, YA THINK?! )

    "To learn more about how the cold deep waters spread, we will need to make more measurements in the deep ocean interior, not just close to the coast where we previously thought the cold water was confined," said Woods Hole's Amy Bower.


    Lozier, a professor of physical oceanography at Duke's Nicholas School of the Environment and Bower, a senior scientist in the department of physical oceanography at the Woods Hole Institution, are co-principal authors of a report on the findings to be published in the May 14 issue of the research journal Nature.

    Their research was supported by the National Science Foundation.

    Climatologists pay attention to the Labrador Sea because it is one of the starting points of a global circulation pattern that transports cold northern water south to make the tropics a little cooler and then returns warm water at the surface, via the Gulf Stream, to moderate temperatures of northern Europe.
    Last edited by Dr Mordrid; 13 May 2009, 14:24.
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    So? I also welcome such research...this is how, you know, science works...

    OTOH you seem to cheerish only discoveries which, on first sight, go against global warming. When in reality they refine, perfect the models.

    What's more...generally speaking those research which you cheerish and those which you choose to ignore come from the same people

    How do you manage that?

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    • #3
      I take pleasure in the uncertainty of their certainty - it's almost as if they never heard of Heisenberg

      Seriously: I find it extremely difficult to give credence to a theory which claims consensus but is questioned by a large number of climatologists and whose underpinnings appear so tenuous.

      |Warming? Yes, been going on for millennia in fits and starts after the last ice age and we're in a start. Before there were dozens of other ice events and guess what? Every one was followed by 'global warming'.

      Human caused? IMO the question if far from settled, as is if we can actually do anything about it.

      In either case high percentages of proponents and opponents both say trying to do something about it is an expensive exercise in futility. Politics stops us from cutting carbon drastically with nuclear and solar/wind are too expensive and unreliable.

      Those who can adapt will and those who cannot will do a neanderthal. It's happened before and will happen again.
      Last edited by Dr Mordrid; 13 May 2009, 23:05.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Dr Mordrid View Post
        Those who can adapt will and those who cannot will do a neanderthal.
        You mean intermarry with the rest of us, give us our powers of speech, and never die off at all?

        (Read the research and weep!)
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