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    The "Blu-ray Disc" blues!

    A Thursday, May 3rd, 2007 Guardian Unlimited article features an interesting new story about the sad state of "Blu-ray Disc."

    Sony's dream of an early victory in the next-geneartion DVD format fight has been dashed by poor PS3 sales. By Kate Bulkley.


    The title of the article is "No punches pulled in high definition war" by Kate Bulkley.

    The stakes are very high indeed for companies on both sides. Yet Sony, the pre-fight favourite - with the best-selling games console franchise in the world and the backing of seven Hollywood studios (basically all of the big ones except Universal Pictures) making their movies available on Blu-ray - is nowhere near delivering the early knockout blow it wanted.
    Instead, early defections from the Blu-ray-only camp and lagging sales of PS3 consoles have blurred the picture of which format will win. Samsung broke ranks with Blu-ray last month by announcing it will make players that play both HD formats, following a similar move by LG. In addition, most analysts acknowledge that the PC manufacturers will play a key role in the format war - and having Microsoft and Intel behind HD DVD is significant.
    Meanwhile, PS3 sales in the UK, the European market where PS3 has had its most successful launch, were 165,000 in week one but fell to 28,000 in the second week, a trend that has been echoed in other markets as well. Sony took a big gamble bundling the Blu-ray player with the PS3, a move that contributed both to delays in its release and higher prices for the consoles. Last week Ken Kutaragi, the "father of the PlayStation", paid the price and resigned as chairman and chief executive of the Sony Computer Entertainment unit. With the sales of PS3 lagging, the new machines may not be the cornerstone of a recovery at Sony, with videogame-related losses for Sony's year ending in March expected to amount to $2bn (£1bn) - double original expectations.
    On the retail side, the battle is also taking some interesting twists. In a recent blog on Digital Trends, Rob Enderle said that US retail giant Wal-Mart (which owns Asda in the UK) plans to bring in "a massive number of low cost (possibly sub-$200) HD DVD players for Christmas". Although unconfirmed by Wal-Mart, such a move could be decisive. Wal-Mart uses DVD sales as a loss-leader to attract shoppers and accounts for between 40% and 45% of all US DVD sales.
    Crumbling support


    At the moment there are 180 Blu-ray titles available in Europe, coming almost exclusively from big Hollywood studios. But despite the weight of titles, the number of HD DVD discs that are bought against the number of players sold is much higher than for Blu-ray discs. In the UK, this so-called "attach rate" for HD DVD discs is 28 per year on average, while for Blu-ray it's five, says the HD DVD Promotion Group.
    While sales of Blu-ray hardware in the US (including PS3s and standalone players) is 5-to-1 against HD DVD hardware sales, Blu-ray's software sales figures are also a lot less impressive, at 2.3 discs per player, according to a recent report. "If PS3 people all started buying HD discs then by sheer weight Blu-ray would walk this battle," says Helen Davis Jayalath, senior video analyst at Screen Digest. "But that's not likely, because they are gamers." And, she adds, the Wal-Mart story "was an overoptimistic leak on the part of one of a number of Chinese companies that Wal-Mart is talking to. [Enderle] seems to believe that if a Wal-Mart cheap player deal goes ahead, HD DVD will 'win'. I'm not sure Sony will give up that easily."
    But the Blu-ray hard line has begun to crumble among Hollywood studios, where Warner Bros and Paramount are hedging their bets by making discs in both formats. And it may be significant that Warner will offer its much-anticipated The Complete Matrix Trilogy only on HD DVD later this month.
    Jerry Jones
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  • #2
    Another fascinating article:



    Given the number of players sold by each camp, one would have expected BD to far outsell HD yet they haven't. The attach rate of HD discs far surpasses that of BD. With the recent sales triggered by the reduction by Toshiba of their A2 player to a MRSP of $399 and the upcoming release of The Matrix on HD-DVD only as well as the flurry of recently announced HD-DVD titles, it is not unreasonable to believe that HD-DVD sales will soon match or exceed those of BD, even with the BD exclusive releases of Cars, Pirates of the Caribbean 1 & 2.
    Jerry Jones
    I found a great domain name for sale on Dan.com. Check it out!

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    • #3
      "it is not unreasonable to believe that HD-DVD sales will soon match or exceed those of BD, even with the BD exclusive releases of Cars, Pirates of the Caribbean 1 & 2."

      and when walmart brings out their $199 HD-DVD player in a few months..
      paulw

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      • #4
        Originally posted by paulw View Post
        and when walmart brings out their $199 HD-DVD player in a few months..
        You're not up to date, read up on the Walmart thing.
        Apulo

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        • #5
          Stop the war! Buy neither one until they come to their senses, or players that play both formats drop to $100 or less.

          --wally.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Apulo View Post
            You're not up to date, read up on the Walmart thing.
            And what is the latest??
            paulw

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            • #7
              Originally posted by paulw View Post
              And what is the latest??
              The latest is that Wal-Mart recently denied the early rumor that any deal for cheap "HD DVD" players has actually been made.

              On the other hand, anybody who reads between the lines can see that negotiations are actively in progress.

              I suspect the story -- unconfirmed -- may yet turn out to be quite true in the end.

              In my opinion, the *only* thing that is going to save Blu-ray Disc is LOWER PRICES.

              But will Sony and the other other manufacturers be able to deliver LOW PRICES?

              Sony has always tried to market its proprietary products as "high end."

              So I'm wondering if Sony and the other "Blu-ray Disc" supporters really have the stomach to fight a war against the less expensive "HD DVD" alternative.

              "Blu-ray Disc" is beginning to look suspiciously like DVD-RAM was to standard DVD formats.

              The technology looks great on paper -- perhaps better than that of "HD DVD."

              However, the fact Microsoft is behind "HD DVD" matters.

              Why?

              Microsoft was also behind "DVD+RW."

              When those cheaper "DVD+RW" drives/discs began to flood into the discount electronic stores and OEM computers, DVD-RAM's superior feature-set -- and its dominance in set-top recorders -- wasn't enough to counter DVD+RW's saturation into the home computer market.

              So -- in the end -- both formats survived, but DVD-RAM hasn't gained as much market penetration as expected (although it's very popular in Japan).

              In the U.S., it is much easier to find blank DVD+RW media in local electronics stores.

              The current high definition war is beginning to look similar.

              "HD DVD" is the favorite of Microsoft and it's beginning to look like the computer industry -- software developers such as Pinnacle/Ulead -- are favoring that format because of the ease by which menus can be integrated using existing standards and technology and -- drum roll -- because it is INEXPENSIVE when compared to "Blu-ray Disc."

              Notice how "Blu-ray Disc" support in the low-end software programs is amazingly limited; the software developers seem to be focusing -- at this point -- on supporting the menu-less "BDAV" format.

              Most of these low-cost software programs can't create MENUS for "Blu-ray Disc."

              Why is that a problem?

              Well, we've all read the online news stories about how many Blu-ray Disc players can't read "BDAV."

              So there you have it.

              A perfect storm in the videographer world.

              No easy way to create menus.

              And even the "Blu-ray Disc" that you can burn can't be read by some existing "Blu-ray Disc" players!

              What a mess!

              Meanwhile, "HD DVD" is clearly the format supported by low-end non-linear video editing/DVD authoring software currently on the market.

              That's going to give "HD DVD" a significant boost among home/corporate video producers.

              I suspect it's an important edge that some analysts are missing as they write these articles about "HD DVD" and its surprising market strength.

              In the early days of this format war, my suspicion was that "Blu-ray Disc" was going to win big.

              After all, look at all of those studios and all of those big corporate names.

              The poor execution of "Blu-ray Disc" to date, however, has been astonishing to behold.

              Jerry Jones
              I found a great domain name for sale on Dan.com. Check it out!

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              • #8
                To underscore the point, take a look at the features in the newly announced Corel Ulead VideoStudio 11 Plus and the Avid Pinnacle Studio Plus 11.

                1. Avid Pinnacle Studio Plus 11: http://tinyurl.com/3269cs
                2. Corel Ulead Videostudio 11: http://www.ulead.com/vs/UVS11Plus_FB.pdf

                Notice the astonishing truth.

                No "Blu-ray Disc" support.

                None.

                Only support for "HD DVD."

                This is an advantage for "HD DVD."

                Corel offers limited support for "Blu-ray Disc" only in the DVD MovieFactory product.

                But -- even there -- it's limited to the BDAV (no menus) flavor.

                There's no support for BDMV (menus).

                And even if there were support for BDMV, not all players currently on the market support it!

                What a fiasco.

                Read about it in the review of DVD MovieFactory 6 by Jan Ozer here: http://tinyurl.com/3ygg4k.

                Those who are still predicting a "Blu-ray Disc" victory seem incredibly naive.

                Consumers are going to buy the format that is...

                1. less expensive
                2. properly supported

                The backers of "Blu-ray Disc" need to quit messing around.

                Jerry Jones
                I found a great domain name for sale on Dan.com. Check it out!

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                • #9
                  Also notice how AVCHD is *not* listed as a format that can be burned directly to high definition DVD -- by these new low-cost consumer packages -- even though high definition DVD players are mandated to support AVCHD/H.264.

                  Doesn't this suggest they both want us to TRANSCODE the AVCHD to other formats (HD MPEG-2 most likely) for authoring?

                  I'll wait to see what APPLE offers in future software releases.

                  Jerry Jones
                  I found a great domain name for sale on Dan.com. Check it out!
                  Last edited by Jerry Jones; 3 May 2007, 19:16.

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                  • #10
                    More here on the Blu-ray Disc BDAV/BDMV fiasco:



                    And a positive DV MAGAZINE Blu-ray Disc article -- all about authoring -- but look at the amazing cost that this guy had to bear:



                    Jerry Jones
                    I found a great domain name for sale on Dan.com. Check it out!

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