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TransformX
4th April 2007, 05:36
http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm :up::up:

az
4th April 2007, 10:43
Very, very old. Greebe posted this years ago ;)

Still good and true, of course :)

gt40
5th April 2007, 09:05
Interesting thou.
you will go and by a piece of audio/video equipment and they will point you to the $100 cables that they recommend- anything less and you wouldn't be getting the 'full experience'
then you look behind their high dollar state of the art floor models, and what do you see - the cheapo $10 cables :)

"no thanks, I'll just have the same cables you are using"

TransformX
5th April 2007, 09:10
Actually, I'm using a four 2.5mm core extension cord for my rear speakers. It's solid, it's white (exterior insulation), each core is individually insulated in pvc and it costs me around $1.5 per meter. :D

Much like this, only 4 copper cores:
http://www.screwfix.com/sfd/i/cat/90/p1075290_l.jpg

az
5th April 2007, 14:10
The only reason to drop more than the bare minimum for cables is aesthetics or ruggedness for the stage.

Mehen
5th April 2007, 21:23
Depends on your speakers/amp, with some setups all cables will sound the same, with others there will be a big difference.

Mehen
5th April 2007, 21:33
Also, (again some setups there wont be a diff, some there will) when you have been listening to the same music, and the exact same setup for YEARS, and start switching cables, it can be quite easy to notice differences.

edit: but are these differences worth the $$$? for all but a very small population: no

Nowhere
6th April 2007, 04:01
Quoting this thread http://forums.murc.ws/showthread.php?t=61328


Even in dubble blind tests?

Technoid
6th April 2007, 09:45
Also, (again some setups there wont be a diff, some there will) when you have been listening to the same music, and the exact same setup for YEARS, and start switching cables, it can be quite easy to notice differences.

edit: but are these differences worth the $$$? for all but a very small population: no

as the culprit is most certainly oxidation you'll get the exact same result by cutting of an inch
of the old cables ends and polish the connectors a bit ;)

Umfriend
6th April 2007, 10:08
In my setup, I have somewhat low-impedance speakers (nom. 4 ohm, min I think around 2.8 and ribbon tweeters) and a very high internal-impedance amp. In such a setup, you need good wires. What is good? Well, the table that guy gives sounds about right. Good is, in my case, just a bit thicker than normal. Not $1.5 a meter but at $7 not that much more.

I do think I mentioned stripping about a cm from the cables not to long ago and, yes, that does make them better.

gt40
6th April 2007, 10:24
My setup sounds much better when I've got a cold beer in my hand.

TransformX
6th April 2007, 13:06
My setup sounds much better when I've got a cold beer in my hand.:up::up:

As the article says, when comparing cables, to make sure it's not psycho-acoustics, see if you can tell at which cable length, there's no more difference.
Electronic fact is, if you're using 2.5mm cables, at 2 meter cable length you simply can't hear any difference.

Mehen
6th April 2007, 19:22
as the culprit is most certainly oxidation you'll get the exact same result by cutting of an inch
of the old cables ends and polish the connectors a bit ;)


people who spend thousands also regularily clean/polish

Fluff
12th April 2007, 12:52
with the price of copper at moment, active starts making more sense:)

RichL
16th April 2007, 08:46
I love the cable supports - some of the old engineers I worked with would be pissing themselves with laughter at those :D

I've got QED 79-strand stuff for my system, and Maplins HQ-Speaker cable for the rear surround speakers.
Before that, I used 15a 240v solid cored ring main cable, which in a "What Hi-Fi" test had scored 4/5 stars.

Mehen
17th April 2007, 01:01
I'm probably gonna go with some heavy gauge power cord from a hardware store, but then make sure i get some nice solid bananas (gonna biwire too). Maybe get some techflex and make em look expensive :p

I think I have some QEDs laying around the house somewhere

TransformX
28th May 2007, 04:56
ROFLMAO!!!

http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53263

Technoid
28th May 2007, 11:32
ROFLMAO!!!

http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53263


It gets hard to read with a straight face when they start to tell each other how this or that brand of cable made a difference when hooked up between the digital connectors of their equipment ;)

TransformX
8th October 2007, 06:32
This is good, so good! :)

http://www.audioholics.com/education/cables/top-ten-signs-an-audio-cable-vendor-is-selling-you-snake-oil

And this is even better!
http://www.audioholics.com/education/cables/top-ten-signs-an-audio-cable-vendor-is-selling-you-snake-oil/audioquest-responds-to-top-10-snake-oil-article