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GT98
7th September 1999, 15:51
I was working on a WinNT box in my office a couple days ago. It was lacking the proper video driver CD, so I went out and downloaded from matrox on my Win98 machine. I went to the NT machine and put it on our local work group using netbeui as the protocal so they could talk to each other. This is what tripped me out...the NT box could read my win98 machine even though it was formated as FAT32 and my 98 machine could read the NTFS partion on the NT drive. How is this so? I figure it has to do something with the one of the OSI levels but which one?

Scott

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Maggi
7th September 1999, 23:50
Hi Scott,

a.f.a.i.k. there are tools called FAT32NT_read-write (39$) and NTFS-DOS or something similar ...

goto www.winfiles.com (http://www.winfiles.com) and search in the utilities ... nothing secret so far. http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/smile.gif

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Buuri
8th September 1999, 00:24
Hi Maggi,

Did you misread his post? http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/smile.gif

The thing is that in Microsoft Networking peers send service requests to each other. Those could be like "send me a directory listing of your c:\". Now the asked peer does as it's told and sends the list.
So the point is that the list is send, not any data from HDD.

I hope that clears thing out.

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SteveC
8th September 1999, 05:46
Nothing unusual. This is how networks have always worked.
Read up on the OSI layer you mention. You'll then learn that the application layer (i.e. Explorer or games or whatever) talks through the other layers (e.g. transport, which is the NetBEUI) and ends up at the hardware layer (the card) with the data (be it files, directory listing or whatever) at little packets of data. Then at the other end, goes back up through all the layers and ends up at the application layer in an understandable format.

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Cheers,
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PS: Some or all of the above message may be wrong, or, just as likely, correct. Depends on what mood I'm in. And what you know. ;)

Buuri
8th September 1999, 06:06
Well it's not that straight forward since no excisting protocol stack is based on ISO OSI model.
Like you said that "transport, which is the NetBEUI" is not true, while it has presentation layer inside of it too. And "hardware layer" you mention (physical layer in OSI), doesn't actually know anything about "little packets of data" while it only understands electrical signals that it transforms into bits. Data link layer is the lowermost that knows of packets.

This didn't have much to do with the original question, but set me straight if I got it wrong. http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/smile.gif

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paul
10th September 1999, 17:17
You must be corrected, You typed 'ISO OSI', instead of 'ISO OSI' lol

Buuri
10th September 1999, 22:52
Can't follow you..

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agallag
12th September 1999, 14:49
You don't have to get into that much detail to explain it. When a win98 machine is connected to NT to read files, it's the NT machine that does the reading from the hard drive, and then sends those files over the network. How do you think you can get html off of unix web servers http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/wink.gif