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    There is a big debate going on in Congress and privately among NASA employees as to if the Ares launchers are the best way to launch the Orion spaceship. A group of NASA and contractor rebels produced an alternative called DIRECT that looks very good, but another group called TeamVision came up with a real doozie.

    Of their alternatives I found the Jupiter III extremely interesting. Two shuttle tanks + 4 SRB's + 5 J2-X engines (upgraded Saturn V second stage) + an RS-100 just for the first stage

    (TLI = trans lunar insertion: to the moon)

    Saturn V: 47 metric tons to TLI

    Ares V: 64.8 metric tons to TLI

    Jupiter III: 160 metric tons TO TLI

    In other words; this thing makes a Saturn V look like a VW minibus

    I'd pay serious money to watch one of these go up



    Last edited by Dr Mordrid; 7 November 2006, 22:11.
    Dr. Mordrid
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    An elephant is a mouse built to government specifications.

    I carry a gun because I can't throw a rock 1,250 fps

  • #2
    Sheee-IT! Now they're talking!

    That is Radical!

    Kevin

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    • #3
      And you know what? The majority is off the shelf. Just the core & tankage, fairing and plumbing to do new. The SRB's and side tanks are shuttle parts. The J2 is being upgraded for Ares I anyhow.

      They's see/hear that thing all the way to Virginia Beach
      Last edited by Dr Mordrid; 7 November 2006, 22:28.
      Dr. Mordrid
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      An elephant is a mouse built to government specifications.

      I carry a gun because I can't throw a rock 1,250 fps

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      • #4
        I just noticed, they call the midrange model the "Jupiter II." Life imitates art once again.

        Assuming it reaches the hardware stage, that is!

        Kevin

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        • #5
          I wonder if the Vehicle Assembly Building would even be big enough for the Jupiter III?

          They're going to need a bigger crawler, that's for sure!

          Kevin

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          • #6
            A closer look at the Jupiter II crew module..



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            • #7
              Hey, I've got one of those! What's amazing is, that thing actually has three decks! I think it must have some kind of "TARDIS" thing going on.

              Kevin

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              • #8
                Hmmm...finally something that could dwarf Energia...

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                • #9
                  Wasn't Jupiter the name of the US made or deverlved rockets from the V2?
                  Why is it called tourist season, if we can't shoot at them?

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                  • #10
                    There were 2 Jupiters.

                    Redstone (a V2 derivative): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redstone_%28rocket%29

                    Jupiter-C (AKA: Juno; a Redstone derivative): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jupiter-C

                    Chrysler PGM-19 Jupiter IRBM/launcher: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jupiter_missile

                    The Saturn I & Saturn IB were single Jupiter IRBM tank (LOX) with 8 Redstone tanks (4 LOX; 4 RP-1) clustered around it.


                    Last edited by Dr Mordrid; 10 November 2006, 14:50.
                    Dr. Mordrid
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                    An elephant is a mouse built to government specifications.

                    I carry a gun because I can't throw a rock 1,250 fps

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                    • #11
                      What's with this "Team Vision Empowering Innovation" bullshit? Looks like marketing fools have taken over again.

                      Wernher von Braun is probably spinning in his grave.

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                      • #12
                        "Team Vision Empowering Innovation" sounds like the dreaded "Mission Statement" that corporate executives waste hundreds of man-hours and tens of thousands of dollars writing in order to justify their high wages and mediocre management skills.

                        I read too much Scott Adams.

                        Kevin

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