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  • Flying is just not the same anymore... .

    It just like a Murphy's Law:

    "Anything that can go wrong, will go wrong"


    Jetliner pilot locked out of cockpit after toilet break

    OTTAWA, Ontario (Reuters) -- The pilot of a Canadian airliner who went to the washroom during a flight found himself locked out of the cockpit, forcing the crew to remove the door from its hinges to let him back in, the airline said on Wednesday.

    The incident occurred aboard a flight from Ottawa to Winnipeg on Saturday. The regional jet, capable of carrying 50 people, was operated by Air Canada's Jazz subsidiary.

    Jazz spokeswoman Manon Stewart said that with 30 minutes of the flight to go, the pilot went to the washroom, leaving the first officer in charge. But when he tried to get back into the cockpit, the door would not open.

    "The door malfunctioned ... this is a very rare occurrence," Stewart said, adding that the crew's decision to remove the door had been in line with company policy.

    A report in the Ottawa Citizen newspaper said that for about 10 minutes "passengers described seeing the pilot bang on the door and communicating with the cockpit through an internal telephone, but being unable to open the door."

    Stewart said the paper's report was "a bit dramatic" and stressed that at no time had the plane or passengers been in danger. She did not say how many people had been on board.

    Diplomacy, it's a way of saying “nice doggie”, until you find a rock!

  • #2
    As I understand it, the first officer was still in the cockpit and could have landed the plane.
    There's an Opera in my macbook.

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    • #3
      Regardless, just imagine what was going in those passenger minds with all the other crap happening lately, like diverted planes etc.

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      Diplomacy, it's a way of saying “nice doggie”, until you find a rock!

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      • #4
        Originally posted by az
        As I understand it, the first officer was still in the cockpit and could have landed the plane.
        True... But most (larger) aircraft require 2 pilots for proper operation (not only for safety reasons). Doing it alone requires more assistance from the ground (regarding navigation, ...).

        It does sound like the "safe cockpit door" isn't as safe as it advertised: the could just lift it out of the hinges?
        (but perhaps this was done from the inside)

        Yes, flying is not the same anymore...
        I wonder, will we see a decline in air travel because of it becoming more cumbersome?

        Jörg
        pixar
        Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die tomorrow. (James Dean)

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        • #5
          Originally posted by VJ
          I wonder, will we see a decline in air travel because of it becoming more cumbersome?
          Undoubtedly, when the check-in to take off time exceeds the flying time, what's the point? The Eurostar train London-Paris has seen a 50% increase in traffic, even put on a couple of extra trains.

          OK, on an island here, we have no alternative, but I cast my mind back to when I was living near Lausanne. Today, to go to Paris, it would be:

          By plane:
          0.00 hours (time to suit depature time)
          0.45 arrive Cointrin airport, join check-in queue
          1.00 check in, if I'm lucky
          1.10 join security queue
          3.30 pass security
          3.40 reach gate security
          4.00 pass gate security
          4.30 plane departure announced for 5.00, 1 hour late
          5.15 boarding starts
          5.30 passenger missing because he got fed up and went home
          6.00 passengers disembark to identify their baggage on the tarmac
          6.30 plane ready to leave, but no take-off slot available
          7.15 plane finally takes off, 3¼ hours late
          8.30 plane lands Orly
          8.45 join queue (the short one for EU citizens) for immigration control
          9.00 guy in front of you is not EU citizen and cannot understand the officer
          9.15 reach baggage carousel: no baggage
          9.30 baggage arrives
          9.35 pass Customs, green line
          9.45 get on RER train into the city
          10.15 arrive at hotel, totally buggered from the stress, hungry and thirsty.
          Cost: CHF 350-400 return, economy

          By TGV:
          0.00 leave house
          0.25 go to station platform
          0.35 seated, computer plugged in with loads of leg room
          0.40 TGV leaves
          1.10 customs formalities on train, as it travels from Vallorbe to Dijon
          4.30 train reaches Paris, Gare de Lyon, after eating on train, served at your seat
          4.35 in taxi
          5.00 arrive at hotel, totally relaxed.
          Cost: CHF 250-300 return, first class + € 35 for taxi.

          Which sounds more attractive?

          And don't think I'm exaggerating: I have neighbours who returned from Manchester 3 days ago and they had pretty much the experience as I recounted it above, arriving home nearly 4 hours late.
          Brian (the devil incarnate)

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          • #6
            Thats sounds good if train is an option.

            In Europe trains have better connections then in US. I did try to explore a train ride from Chicago to Orland Florida & I would be better off just driving there over 1000 miles one way... .
            Diplomacy, it's a way of saying “nice doggie”, until you find a rock!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by ND66
              Thats sounds good if train is an option.

              In Europe trains have better connections then in US. I did try to explore a train ride from Chicago to Orland Florida & I would be better off just driving there over 1000 miles one way... .
              We took a 5,000 mile Amtrak trip (great big circle around the western half of the US) in 1999 and were in TWO train wrecks.
              One high-speed derailment and one obliteration of a Semi and it's driver.

              Took 5 years to get me back on a train.

              I still wouldn't ride one far.
              Our last ride was Seatle to Vancouver and back last year.
              Nice and slow, some of the track Canadian (and therefore well maintained).
              Very nice trip.
              Chuck
              秋音的爸爸

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              • #8
                Originally posted by cjolley
                We took a 5,000 mile Amtrak trip (great big circle around the western half of the US) in 1999 and were in TWO train wrecks.
                One high-speed derailment and one obliteration of a Semi and it's driver.

                Took 5 years to get me back on a train.

                I still wouldn't ride one far.
                Our last ride was Seatle to Vancouver and back last year.
                Nice and slow, some of the track Canadian (and therefore well maintained).
                Very nice trip.
                Track maintenance costs money. What are you, a communist?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by KvHagedorn
                  Track maintenance costs money. What are you, a communist?
                  What is it with you americans and communists??

                  You seems to use it as any other would use the boogeyman
                  If there's artificial intelligence, there's bound to be some artificial stupidity.

                  Jeremy Clarkson "806 brake horsepower..and that on that limp wrist faerie liquid the Americans call petrol, if you run it on the more explosive jungle juice we have in Europe you'd be getting 850 brake horsepower..."

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                  • #10
                    communists WERE the boogeyman for many decades
                    Better to let one think you are a fool, than speak and prove it


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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by cjolley
                      We took a 5,000 mile Amtrak trip (great big circle around the western half of the US) in 1999 and were in TWO train wrecks.
                      One high-speed derailment and one obliteration of a Semi and it's driver.

                      Took 5 years to get me back on a train.

                      I still wouldn't ride one far.
                      Our last ride was Seatle to Vancouver and back last year.
                      Nice and slow, some of the track Canadian (and therefore well maintained).
                      Very nice trip.


                      Man, you & your luck... .
                      Diplomacy, it's a way of saying “nice doggie”, until you find a rock!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Technoid
                        What is it with you americans and communists??

                        You seems to use it as any other would use the boogeyman
                        Some Americans think that any word said against corporations and their greed is like treason or something, so communism being the traditional enemy and the opposite of the blindered worship of the capitalistic totem...

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                        • #13
                          This domain name has been registered with Gandi.net. It is currently parked by the owner.

                          I've read it recently, guess it's ontopic...

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                          • #14
                            Somewhat amusing to me is that I've been flying my whole life and the only things that have become truly worse are the whole security rigamarole and that the airline attendants just aren't as good looking

                            That said, every flight I've been on recently has been damn near packed. Then again, you can't take a train from here to where I've been going these last few years. Definitely seen a drop in continental air travel, with more people opting for cross-country drives, though I've also seen this trend start to reverse.
                            “And, remember: there's no 'I' in 'irony'” ~ Merlin Mann

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Jesterzwild
                              the only things that have become truly worse are the whole security rigamarole and that the airline attendants just aren't as good looking
                              Ahhhhhh.....the good old days of "Fly Me", miniskirt uniforms and stopover quickies with off duty stewadesses

                              Gawd....did I ever love flying SAS and BOAC/BA in the 60's & 70's
                              Last edited by Dr Mordrid; 31 August 2006, 16:22.
                              Dr. Mordrid
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                              I carry a gun because I can't throw a rock 1,250 fps

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