View Full Version : Just when I was going to buy A Conan 350

25th August 2006, 14:19
They release a newone. Guess I better wait and get a bit of interest.

25th August 2006, 14:27
A Conan?



25th August 2006, 15:21
I think he means a Conan O'Brian ;) :p

25th August 2006, 15:32
Do I ballcocks

Canon Canon Canon

Jon P. Inghram
25th August 2006, 15:38
With all the cutting-edge technology, they're like barbarians, living only to crush the competition and see the manufactures driven before them, and to hear the lamentations of the other camera's fans! ;)

Liquid Snake
26th August 2006, 11:33
In all seriousness, the 350D is still a good camera. The 400D is a nice upgrade but nothing big if you ask me.

27th August 2006, 09:08
Yup, if you already have a 350 (Rebel XT), there's no need to upgrade to the 400 (Rebel XTi). If you're shopping for a new one on the other hand...

27th August 2006, 10:53
...if you're shopping for a new one, the 350 will probably be much cheaper than the 400.

27th August 2006, 21:58
Good point.

29th August 2006, 05:13
I ordered an EOS 30D the day before the 400D announcement - imagine my horror when I saw the "pre-order" link on Jessops! Glad it was the 350D replacement, and I've stuck with my order.

Jessops have the pricing at 350D for £440, 400D for £650 and 30D for £850 (although I'm getting it online from Dixons, which should cost me £662.90). If it was a 30D with higher pixel count I would probably have went for it, so when the 35/40D comes along, ask me to sell the 30D :)


1st September 2006, 14:31
I'll let the prices drop and gain a little interest in the mean time.

Anyone want a Dimage A2 ???

1st September 2006, 20:39
Pace, let me know how that 30D works out for you. My brother is in the market for a DSLR, and he's torn between the 30D and more pro level 5D.

2nd September 2006, 10:29
I wanted to hold off too, but my sister's getting married soon, and I have a 3 month old niece - so I want to be taking great shots now, not a year from now :)

As for the 5D, it was tempting, but out of my current budget. I've not bought any EF-S lenses, so I can move to a full-frame sensor in time. I also wanted the built-in flast of the 30D, as I don't yet want to be buying or carrying around a Speedlite everywhere I go. Less important was the 30D's 5fps beating the 5D's 3fps.

I held a 350D and a 30D, and the 30D felt better - although I chose not to try the 5D - it looked too big, and I didn't want to make it any more tempting!

The camera will hopefully arrive on Monday, so I'll pass on my thoughts then. However, is your brother a seasoned SLR user? This is my first, so my comments may be that of a n00b :)


2nd September 2006, 13:12
My brother is also a n00b, so your comments are exactly what he'll be looking for. :D

I've been trying to talk him out of the 5D, since you really do need to know what you're doing to get good shots out of it. I think the 30D is a happy medium between ease of use, and professional features. There are those that argue that a full-frame sensor is not that big a deal either, but what do I know?

2nd September 2006, 14:49
IS a full frame sensor a big deal? Maybe for some, but for us? No. Look at properly taken and processed 30D images and see if you think "gee, this is lacking detail and sharpness; I need full frame!".

2nd September 2006, 19:33
...and considering that most new EF-S lenses are designed from the ground up around non-full-frame sensors, I think they're probably pretty darn close to equal. Maybe if you're blowing shots up to poster size, then examining them back to back with a microscope, you'd be able to tell a difference. Otherwise though, I doubt it's a big deal.

3rd September 2006, 03:42
...and: A good photographer makes great photos, good equipment in the hands of a mediocre photographer produces high-fidelity ultra-resolute boring pictures.

4th September 2006, 04:56
IS a full frame sensor a big deal? Maybe for some, but for us? No. Look at properly taken and processed 30D images and see if you think "gee, this is lacking detail and sharpness; I need full frame!".
The only reason it can be a big deal is if you need real wide angle shots. For digital cameras, the widest (non-fish eye) commonly is 10-12mm; which translates to 15-18mm on analog/full frame.

Theoretically, a full frame sensor could have less noise, but in practise the difference isn't big.

But there are downsides: the full frame cameras (i.e. 5D) suffer from severe vignetting when wide aperture, wide angle lenses are used.

IMO, for most consumers, there is no need to go full frame (more drawbacks than upsides).


5th September 2006, 14:18

5th September 2006, 14:40
Ooo, looky. The 40D is coming very soon! Sorry about the timing Pace. :p


6th September 2006, 10:49
Not overly bothered, as I took some fantastic pictures last night, and that's the whole point. I have poorly focused pictures from years gone by, of family and friends who have since passed away, and I don't want that to happen again.

My first personal camera was a Pentax Epsio 738 or something, and I took one of my best ever pictures with it, way back in September 2001, whilst whale-watching in Australia. I also failed to focus on my mum and sister whilst taking a photo of them at Niagara falls. I've been using a Fuji S602 for the past couple of years, and while the snap-happy no-cost benefits of digital have taught me immensely about photography, it simply cannot autofocus in the dark, and LCD/EVF is not good enough to reliably focus manually. The 30D however, is phenomenal! In almost pitch black conditions (I couldn't see my test subjects facial expression) I pressed the shutter button halfway, the camera fires a stroboscopic flash, tells me it's focused, and I take the shot. It was absolutely perfect, although there is no way my sister will let me share the face she pulled!

I am surprised that Canon are announcing it so soon though - I expected the 400D to be their newest camera until at least a few months into 2007. So, overall, incredibly pleased with it, but if anybody wants the camera, I'll sell for £700 :).

I'm also glad I didn't choose the 5D - it would've been overkill, and it will never look discreet with a speedlite flash stuck on the top.

Hope this is of assistance - I'll post further thoughts over the next few days. Think I'm going to a party on Saturday night, so hopefully the low-light performance will get seriously tested.



6th September 2006, 11:25
The low light thing sounds very promising. That's by far my biggest complaint with my Canon S50. In bright natural or artificial light, it's great. Anything less and it struggles. The 30D sounds like a fantastic camera. I'll certainly try harder to talk my brother out of the 5D.