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VJ
4th May 2006, 05:46
Hello,

My parents are planning to redo their living room, and upgrade to a home cinema system. But esp. for speakers, the WAF factor is important (WAF = Wife Acceptance Factor): my mother doesn't like large speakers (apart from the B&O models).

So, any links to nice quality, design speakers?
I have been looking at Quadral, B&W, Kef, Bose, ... But so far not much to her liking.
(The Pioneer sound projector is too expensive :D)

Monitor Audio has small speakers that sound fabulous (my brother has a pair of those), so that might be an option...

Would it be possible to run B&O speakers of a non B&O system?
(I'm not sure where the amplifier is in B&O speakers, I think it is in the speakers)


Jörg

Taz
4th May 2006, 05:59
Floor standing or stand mount?

VJ
4th May 2006, 06:04
I personally feel that floor standing speakers can best blend in the surroundings, but my mother disagrees..

So: either nice floor standing, or small (so they don't stand out).
:ermm:


Jörg

az
4th May 2006, 06:24
B&O is too expensive for the quality, kinda like Bose.

Taz
4th May 2006, 07:44
What about something like these?

http://www.naim-audio.com/products/ariva.html

VJ
5th May 2006, 01:44
Hmm, highly doubtful that she would like those...

I've checked the Monitor Audio site, and they have in-wall systems too:
http://www.monitoraudio.co.uk/products/home_cinema/custom/index.htm

They seem to get good reviews, so while I'm not entirely convinced it is the best solution, perhaps is it an option as well...
(the idea for the living room is to have a false wall on which the TV and such will be mounted)


Jörg

Chris B
5th May 2006, 02:13
Have you considered the Piano (http://www.dali.dk/int/page191.aspx?sub=214&grp=4) series from Dali? The floor standing speakers of that series don't take up much space.

or perhaps something from System Audio!?

VJ
5th May 2006, 04:20
Interesting...
:)


Jörg

Fluff
15th May 2006, 14:51
http://www.mission-cube.com/

She can choose wraps to suit decor. Not sure what they sound like. But a 5.1 set will set you back about 1000gbp.

VJ
16th May 2006, 23:51
Nice idea, but I don't think she likes that... :ermm:


Jörg

Fluff
20th May 2006, 05:24
http://www.vivadi.com/ looks really nice. As a complete system.

KvHagedorn
20th May 2006, 08:31
You and dad just need to get whatever sounds good and let her complain to the hand. ;)

VJ
22nd May 2006, 01:21
You and dad just need to get whatever sounds
good and let her complain to the hand. ;)
:D


Jörg

VJ
22nd May 2006, 01:38
I just came across this new Quadral range:
http://www.quadral.com/index.php?pID=5_10

They look nice (quite unobtrosive: only 6.5 cm deep). And if they sound anything like my Quadrals (Argent 70)... :)

So perhaps we can convice her for this model, or maybe for the neutral looking Monitor Audio...
http://www.monitoraudio.co.uk/products/radius/series/r180.htm
http://www.monitoraudio.co.uk/products/Bronze/series/b1.htm

Ah well, I guess she'll have to see them in real life...


Jörg

Dilitante1
23rd May 2006, 08:23
You and dad just need to get whatever sounds good and let her complain to the hand. ;)


Famous last words before the coroner arrives :p

az
23rd May 2006, 13:24
...and also IMHO stupid even without the woman: When my stereo is off (and it is a lot of the time: Either I'm listening to music or I'm doing something else, and most of the time something else is occupying my time), my speakers are just furniture, thus they have to look good. I can't afford and I'm not sure I'd even want a listening room where aesthetics are unimportant.

Mehen
23rd May 2006, 16:21
ahh!! I haven't been on murc much lately, sorry I missed this...

Anthony Gallo Acoustics!!!!!!!! Check out the line-up - they have got rave reviews

VJ
24th May 2006, 00:54
...and also IMHO stupid even without the woman: When my stereo is off (and it is a lot of the time: Either I'm listening to music or I'm doing something else, and most of the time something else is occupying my time), my speakers are just furniture, thus they have to look good. I can't afford and I'm not sure I'd even want a listening room where aesthetics are unimportant.
It depends of the room IMO. If you have a dedicated home theater room, than aesthetics aren't that important, quality is what matters there. But if they are to be placed in a living room, they should have some design.
Then again, even a nicely finished, sleek wooden box looks nice to most people (apart from my mother). :ermm:

The Gallo speakers look nice... :up:


Jörg

Umfriend
24th May 2006, 01:43
VJ, are you looking for 2.0 or 5.1 or something? Wha'ts the budget constraint?

I own a pair of Quadrals (Shogun) as well and am very satisfied with them but I have been dissapointed with their cheaper models and am suspicious of the Signo line, especially without a subwoofer (which I am suspicious of in any case).

The Gallo's are fugly to me.

I do love Quadral's ribbon tweeters (and I have listened to some of their RiCom tweeter products, not so nico IMHO), so if it is small and 2.0 you are looking for, the Pico (499 SRP each), Ronde (599 SRP each) or the Certo (900 SRP each) might be worth listening to. They're all of the Phonologue C line.

The Aurum line is nice as well but, unfortunately, has the RiCom tweeters. Luckily, they are renewing the line and the new Aurum line will again feature ribbon tweeters (although I am not sure how long it will take and whether the cheaper models will get these as well. I think they will).

az
24th May 2006, 01:56
I think Elacs look good. Clearly speakers, but nice looking ones.

VJ
24th May 2006, 01:59
They (esp. my dad :)) are looking at 5.1, which would include the subwoofer. Price range will depend (but they would be willing to pay more if they find something they like).

For the Gallo speakers, I ment the simple round ones (not the floor standing weird things).

The Quadral Signo range looks nice on photo, so the next step would be to go out and listen to them. :) Luckily, I know some stores where this is possible.
I have an older pair of Argent 70 (they are 3 way: woofer, midrange and tweeter - no ribbon) yet they sound superpb. I'll keep those small ones in mind, but Monitor Audio also makes great small speakers (my brother has a pair for a mini Denon system and a 5.1 for his home theatre system). So if they want to get small ones, Monitor Audio is a possible candidate.

But it is not urgent, so there still is plenty of time.


Jörg

az
24th May 2006, 03:17
If you're looking at 5.1, have a look at www.teufel.de - they sell direct only, and currently their website is only in german, but you have four weeks trial and can send back if you don't like the speakers. They have a twelve year warranty, and their speakers are rated very very favourably in all german HiFi/AV mags (smaller ones performing like other speakers twice as expensive, and the really big sets theater 8 and 10 are reference at most mags here, together with other speakers costing in the hundreds of thousands).

Fluff
24th May 2006, 17:26
What about Tannoy http://www.tannoy.com/ArenaOverview

They look quite sweet.

Mehen
29th May 2006, 22:39
Go Gallo!

check http://audioreview.com/ good site for reviews on all audio products

VJ
9th June 2006, 00:21
Ok, chances are they will be going for a wall system like this:
http://www.former.it/eng/sottoprodotto.asp?Model_ID=1&Pdt=1&ID=4
(not this one, but this concept)

Ideally, the speakers would have to be flat, so that they can be hung on the panel around the TV (you know: left, right, center hung below the TV). The Quadral Signo seems interesting (with its 6.5cm depth), but are there other decent, relatively flat speakers?


Jorg

az
9th June 2006, 04:25
Teufel Concept P, which is also very cheap (and very likely sounds much better than the price suggests, but don't forget that those are still flat speakers and as such just CAN'T sound as good as full-sized speakers of the same price).

NXT panels, like Elac (http://www.elac.de/en/index.html) Imago.

VJ
9th June 2006, 04:33
Interesting... But the Teufel Concept P seems to use floor standing front speakers, which would not be an option for my parents...

The Elac Image is intended for in wall use...


Jörg

az
9th June 2006, 04:51
The Elac Imago line includes in-wall speakers as well as flat "Picture" speakers. I don't know how well those picture speakers sound, though.

For the Concept P, front and rear (and center) speakers are technically the same and sound the same, so front and rear speakers are interchangeable (Teufel even recommends this if you want to hang the front speakers to the wall next to your flat TV). Also have a look at the Concept S (not that flat, but not very deep or big, too, and can be had with floor-standing or wall-mounted fronts) and the fully active systems Motiv 4you and Motiv 1 (this one costs 1.5k EUR, though). Both use small speakers, and the Motiv 1 is quite good-looking, too, IMHO (and well-received in the press).

KvHagedorn
9th June 2006, 12:33
We are thinking about taking on another line of speakers after hearing these..

Vienna Acoustics (http://www.sumikoaudio.net/va/index.htm)

These are small, conservative-looking, very narrow profile speakers which produce bass you would not believe. We heard the "Mozarts" which were approx $2000/pr retail.

VJ
12th June 2006, 00:55
Ok, the idea now is to hang the TV, but not the speakers. :rolleyes:

Those Vienna things look awesome... (but more expensive than they would be willing to spend)


Jörg

KvHagedorn
12th June 2006, 20:18
You should find a place that sells them and just go listen.. you will not believe what's coming out of those tiny drivers..

az
12th June 2006, 21:51
If you now don't want to hang the speakers, have a look at the Teufels again, Concept R, for instance. Quite unexpensive, and good looking.

VJ
13th June 2006, 04:38
KvH: I've heard Monitor Audio speakers, and they sound awesome (esp. considering their size).

az: Chances are they would be placed on a shelf.


Guess I'll have to wait until they make up their minds. Thanks again for the info!



Jörg

az
13th June 2006, 11:21
Jörg, then check most of the other Teufel options. They are really, really highly recommended here (the higher-end sets being reference in many publications, and the cheaper ones just being very very good value. They all come with twelve years warranty and eight weeks try-out period at home). Philips use Teufel systems to demonstrate their flatscreens in their Eindhoven central.

agallag
13th June 2006, 11:44
B&W have some nifty in-wall speakers.

http://www.bwspeakers.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/products.ranges/Label/Range%20In%20wall%20Series

Evildead666
14th June 2006, 10:42
Anyone thought of Klipsch ?

I have SF-1's on my PC (no tv). Its a 5.0 system, since the column main speakers are good enough in the bass area. The surrounds fit nicely on shelves, and the sound is astronomic.
Klipsch uses a tweeter-medium horn that is just perfect.
Klipsch also do smaller speakers.
and i recommend getting them from a wholesaler, or online, as last seasons stuff, or even two years ago stuff.
I got mine for 60% off, it still cost 650 quid, but i wont be needing any other speakers for a long long while.
;)