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  • Oh, Canada.....

    Recently Canada's Supreme Court held that private sex clubs are legal. No problem there. What adults do between the sheets is their business.

    Problem is that earlier decisions and legislation have set the age of sexual concent and majority in Canada at 14. Oops.

    Mix the two and it seems to me, and from what I'm reading a lot of Canadians, this will result in Canada joining Afghanistan as a "Pederasty Central".

    IMO not a good idea. They're going to have an influx of not so nice people as a result of this little bit of moral gymnastics.

    Questions for the Canadians here;

    1. how do you feel about this?

    2. is this becoming a national issue?

    3. if so, do you think this will affect the upcoming elections?

    4. if not, when did they start passing out stupid pills?

    Dr. Mordrid
    Last edited by Dr Mordrid; 27 December 2005, 11:20.
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  • #2
    As the estableshments would be serving alcohol, no one under 19 would be admitted. In fact, from what I've heard most of the patrons to said establishments are mid 20's to 40's - and a good portion are couples (- heard from folks that have been there)
    I'm going to have to do some research on the 14 thing.
    Yeah, well I'm gonna build my own lunar space lander! With blackjack aaaaannd Hookers! Actually, forget the space lander, and the blackjack. Ahhhh forget the whole thing!

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    • #3
      Define research...
      "For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism."

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      • #4
        If Canada is anything like the US some places like strip bars avoid serving alcohol in order to escape regulation by the Liquor Control Commission. These establishments are known as "juice bars" and thereby escape LCC regulations forbidding nude dancing etc.

        LifeSite.net;



        With sex clubs now protected by Canada's supreme court, the potential social repercussions are staggering. The age of sexual consent in Canada is 14. Canadian teenagers can now legally participate in group sex offered by clubs (so long as alcohol is not sold on the premises).
        R.E.A.L Women of Canada site;



        BC Attorney General, Ujjal Dosanjh, stated:

        Today, an adult can legally have sex with girls as young as 14 years -- it only becomes a criminal offence if he pays for it.

        A 14-year old girl clearly does not have the maturity to enter into sexual activity with an adult or to make life-saving choices regarding the conditions of that sexual activity.
        C.A.S.E (Canadians Against Sexual Exploitation) page;



        Basis: Criminal Code, R.S.C. 1985, c. C-46 s. 150.1

        According C.A.S.E. exceptions in the code actually allow sexual contact between 13 - 14 year olds and 12 year olds;

        In February 2005, Justice Minister Irwin Cotler told a parliamentary committee that raising the age of consent would allow thousands of Canadian teens who have voluntary sexual intercourse to be criminally charged.[7] This is a red herring. A “close in age” exemption could be easily included into the legislation so that it would not be a crime for two young people relatively close in age to engage in sexual activity. A similar exemption already exists in the Criminal Code, allowing 13- and 14-year-olds to legally engage in sexual activity with 12-year-olds.
        IMO Canadians have some serious work to do reigning in their legal system. It certainly looks from the outside as if the inmates are running the asylum

        Dr. Mordrid
        Last edited by Dr Mordrid; 27 December 2005, 21:49.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Dr Mordrid

          1. how do you feel about this?

          2. is this becoming a national issue?

          3. if so, do you think this will affect the upcoming elections?

          4. if not, when did they start passing out stupid pills?

          Dr. Mordrid
          Underage sex isn't the problem here that it is in the US.

          Although not unheard of, we don't have the explosive rates of teenage pregnancy or STD transmission that you have in the US.

          We also don't have juice bars. Alcohol isn't available in corner stores the way it is in the US so when we go out, we expect to drink.

          We have elections coming up and no, this is not an national issue that I've heard of. I'm not really following the campaign coverage but this is the first I'm hearing of this issue.

          Re: 4), come on! I'm not going to dignify that.
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          • #6
            1. Better re-think that statement in terms of the new Canadian reality. With sex at 12-14 being legal to be "underage" in Canada would require it to occur in grade school

            2. Canada's pregnancy rate is still ~40-45 per 1,000 in the 15-19 age group. This is about half that of the US (and ours is dropping) but it's by no means insignificant and nearly double that of Sweden and France.

            This new flavor of BS won't help and will probably make matters worse.

            Also; don't get too uppity about Canada's STD rates. They're not as good as you think.

            Example: all nations are experiencing an explosion of HPV, the cause of at least 50% of all cervical cancers. Because of this HPV is perhaps the most deadly STD other than AIDS.

            Canadas HPV rate almost doubled in just the 1996-2000 timeframe. The increase was from 971 per 100,000 to 1400+ per 100,000.

            The US HPV rate was ~275-300 per 100,000 for the same timeframe, or about FIVE TIMES lower than Canada's.

            Pffftttt.....

            3. you don't have juice bars because your courts let the gals hang on public streets

            4. Yes; who passed out the stupid pills....at least among the members of your Supreme Court. This situation is intolerable for any caring parent.

            At the very least there should be legislation requiring an age limit of 18 to enter these clubs, an upping of the age of consent to 16 in all cases and the enactment of an age-differential law.

            Dr. Mordrid
            Last edited by Dr Mordrid; 28 December 2005, 01:12.
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            • #7


              This situation is intolerable for any caring parent.
              You act like it wouldn't be simplicity itself to turn the tables on you...

              Without blinking I can think of a dozen "situations" that would benefit more from your attention than any Canadian legal issues.
              P.S. You've been Spanked!

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              • #8
                No answer on the specifics 'eh? Didn't think so.

                Whatever our other problems we don't coddle child abusers here, and minors between the ages of 12 and 16 are children.

                Canada's Supreme Court (note I'm not hammering Canadians in general) has created a situation that gives 'em them an open shot at kids too young to make an informed decision and it needs fixing.

                IMO if it weren't for the grossly liberal media in Canada it would be a campaign issue. Instead the vast majority of your media is like the NY Times....with even bigger blinders.

                Why is it of a concern for the US? Because we're trying to get these bastards to quit or put 'em in jail and your Supreme Court is now, for all intents and purposes, encouraging them. Make no mistake about it; being so close what's happening in Canada has an effect on the actions of the ones here.

                We should be working together on this and not at cross purposes.

                Dr. Mordrid
                Last edited by Dr Mordrid; 28 December 2005, 01:27.
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                • #9
                  I think most people who are having sex at ages like 12,13,14, etc don't really care about the legality. I don't think setting the age to 14 will really have an effect on any STD or teen pregnancy rates.
                  I personaly don't know of any "juice clubs" here either.

                  Yes I agree that some of those rates MUST be lowered and is a serious issue, but I don't think any laws the government can or will pass will change it. I would think that the main influence on those numbers is simply how and with what morals the kids are raised with. It is probably Canada's easy-going almost hippie like attitude that causes them to be high
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                  • #10
                    I'm going to go out on a limb and call most of this a non-issue. Yes teenagers do stupid things... OFTEN. However, the surest way to make sure they are going to want to do something stupid is make it illegal or against the rules. Teenagers often smoke, drink, do drugs because they aren't suppose to. Yes these things feel good but I can pretty much promise you that most of it is in the need for a teenager to rebel against something. Teenage alcoholism and drinking related deaths are MUCH lower in countries were the legal drinking age is 18 or lower, this isn't a fact you really can argue against. Plus it's just human nature. When we tried to parent the nation and made drinking illegal what happened.... yeah I thought so.

                    Anyway, the thought of a 30 year old macking on a 14 year is rather appalling to me... but you know what.. it is to most 14 year olds too. I really don't think changing laws is going to fix this.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Dr Mordrid
                      No answer on the specifics 'eh? Didn't think so.
                      Doc, I'm trying not to stoop to your level.

                      That "stupid pills" comment was unnecessary. Further, that "caring parent" line was over the top. And you know it.

                      Yeah, I agree that the age of consent should be higher.

                      On the bright side I've done some quick googling and you'll be happy to know that the age of consent for anal sex is 18.
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                      • #12
                        *raises eyebrow* old enough to get pregnant but not old enough to be sodomized..... I don't even know which joke to start with here....
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                        • #13
                          We're definelty not the country with the youngest age of consent - some states even have the age set to 14.
                          Yeah, well I'm gonna build my own lunar space lander! With blackjack aaaaannd Hookers! Actually, forget the space lander, and the blackjack. Ahhhh forget the whole thing!

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                          • #14
                            Slow down there Doc,
                            You've have made a lot of good points, but you started with the private sex clubs then dumped on the age of conscent to 14 topic. I'm with you about the age of concent being to young, but this law came about since all these 12-18 year olds were doing everybody and anybody in schools, homes, and at parties. Alot of the times the sex was within the same age group, and at that time the daughter's father could lay charges on the boy ( usually )So when they get caught in the act, the boy would be punished and have to law up, just to say that they both concented to the sex. I may be wrong but I still think we have a jailbait law in effect. An 18 year old can be charged with having sex with an underage girl/boy even with conscent. And Canada does not coddle child abusers either. We take that issue seriouly, so your statement was an ouch.
                            Back to the private sex clubs. It's a simple RIGHTS issue. It's one of those stupid " I can do whatever I want to do Freedom chest pounding speeches that gets in the way with the spiralling direction of society. There's a big demand for these sex/swingers clubs, so money talks. And if a club can have all men, smoking cuban cigars, drink whiskey and watch porn all day behind closed doors, then sex clubs should fall under the same rules

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                            • #15
                              well so what if the legal age of concent is 14, the oldest person allowed by law to have sexual contact with such is a 16 year old. Read the exceptions, before assuming that any old fart could have their way with young kids.



                              (b) is less than two years older than the complainant;

                              Seriously, when I turned the age of concent, I was not automatically presented with an opportunity to have sex

                              .. but I am sure the good doctor will have some bragging story about how young he was himself
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