What's next, DRM brain implants?

[Jon P. Inghram]

http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/device/stream/output_protect.mspx

Is it just a coincidence that Microsoft is based in Washington?

[Nowhere]

The worst thing about it is that...putting it to market will work. Reasons:
1. When people hear "DRM security" or "protection" they think it's about their security (see how MS talks about "attacks" on the site?). So in most cases it can be sneaked in, especially since:
2. People will just get it when buying new hardware (whole computer), without noticing...

PS. Although his views are controversiall (I'll put it this way...nice utopia...somehow I wish it would work out), Stalmanns articles about the whole issue are a worthy read.

[Jammrock]

http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/device...t_protect.mspx

Is it just a coincidence that Microsoft is based in Washington?

/jammrock chats: MythTV! MythTV! MythTV! MythTV! MythTV! ... long live MythTV!

[Fluff]

The age of freedom and choice are numbered. Wonders are that it could stifle creativity.

The people in charge are not really thinking properly!!

How is DRM going to affect the quality of music made, since no ones ideas are really that original. Stopping you ripping sections of movies, and playing around with them to make your own creation just for fun will not be possible anymore!

[Nowhere]

Uhmm...not playing devil's advocate here...but have you heard about stuff like guitars, microphones, percussion etc.? You know, analog stuff
Just basically saying that from my perspective making impossible thing you describe won't affect quality of music made...

[Jon P. Inghram]

Lets say a person decides to bite the bullet and upgrade their computer to a new fangled DRM enabled system so that they can run the lastest and greatest game or whatever that requires Windows Longhorn (or whatever it'll be called by the time it comes out, probably Windows "Keep the scary haxorz away so you feel safe while surfing your pr0n sites and forwarding chain email letters back and forth between your friends edition.") Whoopsy, looks like that monitor that had been working perfectly fine now looks blurry when you watch DRM enabled videos, you EVIL PIRATE YOU! NOW GO TO BEST BUY AND BUY A NEW MONITOR LIKE ALL THE OTHER WELL ADJUSTED CONSUMERS!

Don't forget, they just have our best interests in mind, they care.

[Fluff]

Nowhere you are right, I was thinking more of sample based music. I use the term 'music' loosely

I was thinking more about the quality, freedom of music made from home being restricted, and not in an expensive studio for a person with a record deal.


One positive point with the DRM, is that maybe you will be able to download music of higher quality than CD, and download an album and get an online refund if you think it sucks. Same hopefully might go for films and games. But I doubt it.

[Nowhere]

You first point - OK.

But second - still the same as before. Trust me, you don't need studio for this stuff

[Nowhere]

Some official talks about Vista at some conference

Notably:

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The horse has really bolted with respect to DVDs. They're out there, people cannibalise them all the time with DVD decrypters and people can get movies off them like there's no tomorrow.
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The industry needed something much better to deal with the piracy problem. Studios said in a high-def world, we're going to have to have a very different way of viewing content.
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In Longhorn, the computer determines that a video card is not faked or being intercepted, so there's a lot of onus on the writers of the drivers. It also checks If there are digital or analogue drivers. If only digital outputs are in use, it will then check a display has HDCP capability – high bandwidth digital content protection. The communication between the video card and the device is encrypted and only decrypted by the display device itself. If all that is true, the operating system says, "ok, gotcha, we are running on a protected video path which is OK for premium content… HD-DVDs, BluRay, or a video file that someone has marked.
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The hardware vendors all know about it but aren't yet making monitors with it built in, so now it's up to you [the users] to say, "where's my HDCP?
...

Oh boy...

PS. It seems like having CRT will be an advantage...

[Fluff]

There will just be CRT's with HDMI inputs. They will not let the idea of any analog outs fly.

If you don't like it don't buy it. That's the only way people can change things.

My only issue with HDMI connector is the resolution restrictions of the interface, cable run limitations.

The interface is a stopgap.


PR
New DisplayPort Standard for PCs, Monitors, TV Displays and Projectors Moves from Promoter Group to Video Electronics Standards Association
VESA to Finalize, Administer DisplayPort, Provide a Forum for Extensions

MILPITAS, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Aug. 16, 2005--The newly-developed DisplayPort(TM) interface proposal, which has been designed to simplify display interfaces in computer and consumer electronics systems, has been turned over to the Video Electronics Standards Association (VESA) for finalization and approval as a standard.

In May, VESA announced the DisplayPort development program by a group of industry-leading companies dedicated to creating a new digital display interface specification for broad application within computer monitors, TV displays, projectors, PCs and other sources of image content.

"The plan in May was to submit a comprehensive version of the interface proposal to VESA during the third quarter for ratification and adoption," said Ian Miller, chairman of VESA. "The group has met its internal timetable and delivered to us a very comprehensive specification, which VESA will now administer and provide a forum for future revisions."

DisplayPort allows high quality audio to be available to the display device over the same cable as the video signal. It delivers true plug-and-play with robust interoperability, and is cost-competitive with existing digital display interconnects. Designed to be available throughout the industry as an open, extensible standard, DisplayPort is expected to accelerate adoption of protected digital outputs on PCs to support viewing high definition and other types of protected content through an optional content protection capability, while enabling higher levels of display performance.

DisplayPort enables a common interface approach across both internal connections, such as interfaces within a PC or monitor, and external display connections, including interfaces between a PC and monitor or projector, between a PC and TV or between a device such as DVD player and TV display. The standard includes an optional digital audio capability so high definition digital audio and video can be streamed over the interface, and it provides performance scalability so the next generation of displays can feature higher color depths, refresh rates, and display resolutions. It also features a small, user-friendly connector optimized for use on thin profile notebooks in addition to allowing multiple connectors on a graphics card.

Layered, Modular Architecture Includes Main Link and Auxiliary Channel

DisplayPort incorporates a Main Link, a high-bandwidth, low-latency, unidirectional connection supporting isochronous stream transport. One stream video with associated audio is supported in Version.1.0, but DisplayPort is seamlessly extensible, enabling support of multiple video streams. Version 1.0 also includes an Auxiliary Channel to provide consistent-bandwidth, low-latency, bi-directional connectivity with Main Link management, and device control based on VESA's E-DDC, E-EDID, DDC/CI and MCCS standards. The Link configuration enables true "Plug-and-Play."

The Main Link bandwidth enables data transfer at up to 10.8 Gbits/second using a total of four lanes.

The promoter group based their development efforts on the premise that the PC industry requires a ubiquitous digital interface with optional content protection that can be deployed widely at minimum cost to enable broad access to premium content, according to Miller.

As higher performance display and source technologies are introduced, the demands on interface bandwidth expand and the problem will become even more acute soon with demands for more colors, higher resolutions, and higher refresh rates. The DisplayPort standard's high initial bandwidth is designed to scale to even higher bandwidths to accommodate future display requirements.

[Technoid]

One positive point with the DRM, is that maybe you will be able to download music of higher quality than CD, and download an album and get an online refund if you think it sucks. Same hopefully might go for films and games. But I doubt it.

none of that will ever happen