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  • Hibernation on demand....

    IF it works in humans there will be plenty of applications for this, esp. in medicine and space travel;

    News article: http://www.healthtalk.ca/hibernation_042305_89321.php

    Dr. Mordrid
    Last edited by Dr Mordrid; 23 April 2005, 09:07.
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  • #2
    I wonder...what your personal fauna of microorganisms would do with you in such state. After all your immune system is also in hibernation (at least I think so)...but nasties aren't to such degree (look what happens to cheese in freezer after few weeks)

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    • #3
      Just 'cause it works for mice doesn't mean it works for people, but if it does it'd be nice for surgery.

      Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry, ATSDR, Toxic Substances, TSP, PHA, Emergency Response, Toxic Substances

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Nowhere
        I wonder...what your personal fauna of microorganisms would do with you in such state. After all your immune system is also in hibernation (at least I think so)...but nasties aren't to such degree (look what happens to cheese in freezer after few weeks)
        They're not sure. The chemical should inhibit the aerobic bacteria in the same way it inhibits you. The anaerobic should be suppressed by the temperature. But that doesn't answer everything.
        Gigabyte P35-DS3L with a Q6600, 2GB Kingston HyperX (after *3* bad pairs of Crucial Ballistix 1066), Galaxy 8800GT 512MB, SB X-Fi, some drives, and a Dell 2005fpw. Running WinXP.

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        • #5
          HYDROGEN SULFIDE?????? H2S??????? The idea stinks!

          Seriously, H2S is one helluva of a toxic gas.

          HYDROGEN SULFIDE

          Toxicology

          Hydrogen sulfide is a highly toxic gas that has caused many fatalities. It exerts its significant toxic effects primarily in two ways: 1. As a central nervous system toxin (neurotoxin), and 2. As a local irritant. Although not considered a toxic effect, very low concentrations of hydrogen sulfide in the air can create a very significant odor nuisance. More than 1000 cases of acute hydrogen sulfide poisoning have been reported over the past five decades. Case fatality rates approximate 5% (Aves, 1929; Ahlborg, 1951; Kleinfeld, et al., 1964; Burnett, et al., 1977; Arnold, et al. 1984; Gregorakos, et al., 1995). Inhaled hydrogen sulfide is very rapidly destroyed by normal detoxification mechanisms and does not accumulate in the body (Haggard, 1921; Evans, 1967).

          1. Central nervous system toxicity

          When inhaled, hydrogen sulfide is quickly and effectively absorbed into the blood through the lung and immediately transported to the brain where it acts as an inhibitor of a critical respiratory enzyme, cytochrome oxidase (Smith and Gosselin, 1979). This enzyme is necessary for cellular respiration, and when it is inhibited, the brain is deprived of molecular oxygen required for its normal functioning. Cerebral hypoxia is the result.

          At air concentrations of about 750 ppm, inhalation of hydrogen sulfide gas can cause immediate collapse and unconsciousness. If exposure is very brief, for example, transitory envelopment by a passing gas cloud, the victim may awaken promptly and experience no adverse effects at all (Beauchamp, et al., 1984; Guidotti, 1994). In industries where hydrogen sulfide exposure is commonplace, for example oil field work, employees often refer to this phenomenon as "knockdown" (Guidotti, 1994). If exposure is prolonged, or air concentrations are high (above 1000-1500 ppm), the unconscious victim may cease breathing (apnea), and will die unless promptly moved to fresh air and given immediate artificial respiration (Haggard and Henderson, 1922). Overall, however, most victims of hydrogen sulfide-induced collapse recover completely (Milby and Baselt, 1999a; Beauchamp, et al., 1984). In a small percentage of victims, primarily those who are very severely poisoned or who are not promptly rescued, prolonged apnea can lead to hypoxic encephalopathy and sequelae ranging from mild neurological deficits to hypoxia-related dementias or death (Freireich, 1946; Hurwitz and Taylor, 1954; Larson, 1964; Kemper, 1966; Matuso, et al., 1979; Adelson and Sunshine, 1986; Deng and Chang, 1987; Tvedt, et al., 1991).

          The preponderance of scientific evidence indicates that hydrogen sulfide- induced central neurotoxicity results primarily as a consequence of the ability of blood-borne sulfide to inhibit cytochrome oxidase and interfere with, or diminish, cellular respiration in the brain (Smith and Gosselin, 1979; Riffenstein, et al., 1992). Understanding this mechanism of action is important to both the treating physician and the forensic toxicologist. To the clinician, the critical need for prompt treatment aimed at re-oxygenating the brain becomes undisputable. The forensic toxicologist should be aware that there is no reliable evidence that poisoning by this gas leads to neurotoxic sequelae such as memory loss, concentration problems, ataxia, headaches, or other chronic effects in the absence of clinically significant cerebral hypoxia occurring as a direct consequence of one or more of the following events: unambiguous unconsciousness with apnea, respiratory insufficiency induced by pulmonary edema, or significant airway obstruction (Milby, 1962; Beauchamp, et al., 1984; Milby and Baselt, 1999b).

          2. Local irritation

          A. Eye irritation.

          After several hours of exposure to hydrogen sulfide gas in concentrations of about 50 ppm, or after only a few minutes at higher, neurotoxic air levels, conjunctivitis and keratoconjunctivitis may become clinically apparent (Milby, 1962; Beauchamp, et al.1984). In older literature, this was called "gas eye" (Yant, 1930). The current OSHA PEL of 20 ppm was established to protection against eye irritation in most workers.

          B. Pulmonary edema

          Unlike sulfur dioxide, hydrogen sulfide is not very soluble in water. For this reason, it is not efficiently removed from the inhaled air by the moist mucous membranes of the upper respiratory tract and is free to penetrate deeply into the lungs. Here it encounters the most sensitive tissues of the lung causing irritation, which may give way to pulmonary edema (Burnett, et al., 1977; Arnold, et al., 1985, Tanaka, et al., 1999). On a practical basis, the more dramatic, life-threatening neurotoxic effects associate with hydrogen sulfide toxicity often overshadow its irritative effects, although occasionally, pulmonary edema can cause serious complications, even death (Kleinfeld, et al., 1964). In consideration of the potential danger for developing pulmonary edema, a person significantly exposed to hydrogen sulfide gas should be under medical observation, preferably under hospital conditions, for at least 24 hours after exposure (Milby, 1962).

          3. Odor nuisance

          Most people can detect the characteristic rotten-egg smell of hydrogen sulfide gas at very low air concentrations, usually well under 0.1 ppm (Beauchamp, et al., 1984). Short-lived exposures to air levels of this magnitude do not cause physical injury, nor is there any reliable evidence that such exposures induce sensitivity to the gas or to other chemicals. However, under some conditions, especially if exposure is intense or prolonged, the pervasive, foul, rotten-egg odor of hydrogen sulfide can cause transitory headache and sleep disturbances at air concentrations at low as 0.250 -0.300 ppm (Milby and Baselt, 1999a; Haahtela, et al., 1992; PHS, 1964).

          Hydrogen sulfide as an odor nuisance:

          Easily detectable levels of this gas are commonly found in the vicinity of waste lagoons, geothermal facilities, special waste disposal sites, petrochemical installations, volcanic activity, and the like. In the experience of the author, industrial emissions of hydrogen sulfide gas that initiate litigation rarely reach as high as 0.100 ppm and are usually much lower. At air concentrations of 0.250-0.300 ppm, the odor of hydrogen sulfide, especially if frequent or persistent, can create a nuisance problem of legitimate concern. Accordingly, under some conditions, complaints of headache and sleep disturbances attributed to hydrogen sulfide emissions may be well founded. It is important to emphasize that there is no reliable evidence that intermittent exposure to air levels less than a few ppm does causes physical illness, long-term health effects, or hypersensitivity to other chemical substances.

          Hydrogen sulfide exposure with symptoms

          Mild, transitory symptoms of exposure such as headache, dizziness, and incoordination can appear within seconds to minutes following exposure to several hundred ppm of hydrogen sulfide gas. At higher levels, symptoms can include abrupt collapse with or without apnea.

          For the purposes of clarification, acute hydrogen sulfide neurotoxicity characterized by sudden collapse and loss of consciousness can be considered in three increasingly severe stages (Milby and Baselt, 1999b):

          Stage One: Sudden collapse followed by prompt and complete recovery.
          The victim continues to breathe and the heart continues to beat. There are no lasting effects.
          The phenomenon referred to in the medical literature as "knockdown" is included in this category.
          Stage One appears to be the most common form of hydrogen sulfide-induced collapse.

          Stage Two: Sudden collapse with delayed recovery.
          Spontaneous breathing continues. Most victims recover completely, but a few develop sequelae
          ranging from minor neurological deficits to major, debilitating dementias.

          Stage Three: Sudden collapse and prolonged unconsciousness with respiratory paralysis and
          apnea leading to hypoxic encephalopathy.
          Only a few cases of acute hydrogen sulfide intoxication can be considered as Stage Three.
          Delayed rescue or exposure to concentrations of hydrogen sulfide gas exceeding 1500 ppm are
          often factors contributing to Stage Three collapse.

          To be exposed to hydrogen sulfide is not necessarily to be damaged by it. Hydrogen sulfide, when inhaled, is very rapidly destroyed by the blood and does not accumulate in the body. Accordingly, although repeated exposures to small concentrations of this gas may be understandably considered a nuisance, such exposures are of no toxicological significance. Recovery from hydrogen sulfide poisoning is nearly always complete if apnea or other causes of respiratory insufficiency such as pulmonary edema or airway obstruction did not enter the picture. After recovery, there is no relapse.
          Brian (the devil incarnate)

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          • #6
            Yes, hydrogen sulfide is a toxin in large doses, but as the article noted it's also used by the body itself to regulate metabolism, thus the connection to hibernation.

            Most toxins are also medicinal or theraputic in small doses. Great examples are the venom of snakes or the Conidae sea snail, whose venom is now being used to produce advaned pain killers but at full strength can kill in minutes.

            Dr. Mordrid
            Last edited by Dr Mordrid; 24 April 2005, 09:05.
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            I carry a gun because I can't throw a rock 1,250 fps

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