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The PIT
15th July 2004, 13:04
http://www.mrtech.com/cgi-local/msgboard/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST&f=11&t=86

Just need something to wipe the cache now properly.

Wombat
15th July 2004, 13:11
I wouldn't use TBE. It's very poorly written, and unstable. It's so hackish that the Mozilla guys won't even investigate bugs if TBE is installed on the reporting system.

isochar
15th July 2004, 15:32
But... but... it adds so many features. ;(

az
16th July 2004, 00:48
If you want features, why don't you use a proper browser (www.opera.com)? :p

AZ

GuchiGuh
16th July 2004, 03:11
http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/header.png
sits on top of
http://www.opera.com/graphics/logos/opera.png

az
16th July 2004, 04:18
Yeah, and it's fat and ugly, too ;)

Well, at least it's better than MSIE.

AZ

Sasq
16th July 2004, 04:34
go on Az, admit it, when the lights are out, and no one is watching, you secretly use FireFox.. oh the shame, the shame :p

az
16th July 2004, 04:38
Actually, I have an older Mozilla version installed at home. I never use it, I thought I'd use it when sites don't work in Opera (which rarely happens these days, even banking works). But it takes long to load and then sometimes doesn't display the site correctly, either, so I just hit the "InIE" button in Opera and view it in IE. I sometimes use it to view some advanced DOM demos, when I'm looking at CSS sites.

I don't even know how Firefox looks, sorry :)

AZ

UtwigMU
16th July 2004, 06:55
Firefox 0.9.1 (0.9.2 has only shell exploit patch) with Qute theme (previous default, the new Winstripe that was based on default Mac them is IMO not there yet).

WinXP SP1
Tabbrowser extension (Tab menu)

All buttons moved to menu bar, only tab bar shown.

UtwigMU
16th July 2004, 07:14
While Mozilla may be fat and ugly with default theme, Firefox is lean and mean - only 4.7MB for Windows Installer download.

az
16th July 2004, 07:22
Plus Sun JRE.

AZ

UtwigMU
16th July 2004, 07:32
You also need JRE for Opera as well as Flash, Shockwave, Real media and Quicktime plug-ins. Besides, MS has lost case against Sun and they are forbidden to ship their Java virtual machine in subsequent releases of Windows (Windows 2k3 already lacks MS Java Machine), so getting Java from Sun will be required for all browsers unless Sun Java is included with Windows.

Opera and Gecko browsers both use same Netscape plug-in architecture and same plug ins.

Recently, Mozilla, Opera, Adobe, Apple, Macromedia and Sun ... announced (http://www.mozilla.org/press/mozilla-2004-06-30.html) to work together on new plug-in architecture.

az
16th July 2004, 09:25
I know all that. Just pointing out that 4.5 MB still is a lot for a featureless browser without Java.While Opera has also grown a lot over the years (it is now a whopping 3.4 MB!) at least it is full-featured and not only full-figured.

AZ

UtwigMU
16th July 2004, 09:36
The java version is 16MB or download Java separately.