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  • Premiere Pro....is it worth it?

    Now the question: is it worth it? I've been thinking long and hard about this since the Premiere Pro beta started, and still have very mixed feelings about it.

    There can be no doubt Adobe put in a Herculean effort in totally rewriting the program.

    The good:

    Multiple nestable timelines (no doubt about it, this is where things are heading)

    Single track main timeline (no more A/B and also a trend)

    Transitions ("on any track")

    Improvements to the realtime engine (can now do motion paths etc.)

    Improvements to the Edit Control Window (ECW is akin to Cool3D PS's Attribute Window & used for effects control)

    Improved color correction (almost every parameter you could ask for)

    Image Pan and Zoom similar to how it's done in After Effects (handy for photo montages)

    Vectorscope, waveform monitor etc. (about time!)

    Audio conforming (audio resampled to 32 bit for higher quality rendering)

    VST audio filters (as used by Cubasis)

    ASIO support (Steinbergs Audio Stream Input/Output technology)

    5.1 audio mixing

    2-pass MPEG encoding (MainConcepts Pro encoder)

    HD & HDV support (MPEG HDTV editing)

    and the rest of the stuff on Adobes what's new page.

    The Bad:

    Those expensive Premiere plugins you bought won't work anymore. Adobe canned their plugin interface and replaced it with a whole new API akin to that used in After Effects. Ka-Ching....that is if your plugins maker is still around. Otherwise you're out of luck.

    Audio conforming. Converting those files to 32 bit takes way too long, especially in a complex or long project. Besides the conversion time issue the files are stored in a custom format (*.CFA) and are inaccesible to non-Adobe softrware. *.CFA's are also at least twice the size of the original PCM in a DV file. Some people have reported conformed audio folders with upwards of 5 gigs worth of *.CFA's in them for a single project, not to mention the smaller *.PEK files (whatever they are). One person I know ended up with 26 gigs of *.CFA's alone. Adobe also claims that 32 bit audio helps their realtime engine, but I've seen little to support this assertion.

    Also bad in conforming is that if you use the same audio clip twice in a project it has to be re-conformed and stored as a second identical *.CFA file along with another *.PEK file being generated. Granted; this is on Adobes "to be fixed" list, but how did this get out of alpha much less beta, and how many other hand grenades like this are waiting to be discovered?

    Transitions "on any track" aren't always. There are limitations that are going to irritate people to no end, so in some cases you'll still end up rendering an overlay track transition effect out for use on the timeline.

    The Project Trimmer is gone. Why? Dunno....but they say it's "due in a future build", but for free or not is up for grabs.

    The new Color Correction filter is very complete, but DOG SLOW as regards rendering its output. Thank God the RT.X100 has its own realtime CC or I'd be going crazy.

    AC3 encoding is an extra-cost feature. You get 3 trial encodes then it costs $295 to activate the Surcode plugin.

    HD & HDV support. Why bad? Because it comes in the form of Cineforms Aspect HD plugin. Just another $1200 and for some HD formats it'll also need an SDI I/O card

    The last two indicate that Adobes cooperative marketing department is alive and healthy

    and lots of changes to features that worked just fine before, seemingly just for changes sake. This alone is going to drive a lot of existing Premiere users NUTS.

    The Ugly:

    Audio conforming again. What makes conforming ugly is that YOU CAN'T TURN IT OFF!! Load a small 8 bit mono audio sample and it still gets conformed to 32 bit. You also will have to wait for the audio files to be conformed before editing or Premiere Pro will become very sluggish, especially when scrubbing. This is particularly annoying when importing Premiere 6.x projects because all the audio will have to be conformed at one sitting. How long can this delay be in a complex project?

    Hint: go have dinner.....

    DV Realtime performance is a DOG, especially in comparison to MSPro7 or Vegas4. Basically if you try using software realtime and not an RT.X100 or Storm2 card you're in for a big dissapointment. Not helping this at all is that Premiere Pro's VfW mode dosn't use their RT SDK

    Export rendering speed is slower than Premiere 6.5 or MSPro7. For MPEG it's the 2-pass encoder and understandable, but what about the other formats? Conformed audio compounds this if you add a lot of filters etc.

    Needless complexity. It was my understanding that part of the single track editing paradigm was to make the program more intuitive, but apparently Adobe didn't get that part of the message. Dig out your reading glasses because many things are definitely not intuitive.

    Example: dropping a single transition between two clips is needlessly complex in that you have to "trim" half the transition duration off each clip before dropping the transition else you get a cryptic error that it may not work. Dumb since in $50-$100 programs like VideoStudio you can just abutt the clips then drop the transition on the cut without all the fuss.

    Is Premiere Pro worth it?

    Premiere Pro has many new features that people will love; nested timelines for one. This isn't saying that Adobe is the first to use them, they are just piling on features that are becoming industry standards. Premiere Pro also has several quirks, "features" and changes that will drive some existing Premiere users out of their minds.

    Certainly those who upgrade are going to need significant retraining, and for studios at least someone is going to make a lot of money doing this.

    You also have to consider the cost of upgrading all your Premiere plugins, not to mention that if you want to use software realtime a new and very fast machine will be necessary.

    Uppance:

    Those who are using previous builds of Premiere, including version 6.5, and decide to upgrade to Premiere Pro are in for a major learning curve.....as in get your Hummer warmed up.

    If, on the other hand, you want to keep your wallet intact and your book is already full of "to do's" Premiere Pro may well not be worth it, especially if your existing editor is doing all that you need.

    Then there are the problem areas noted above.....

    In my opinion Premiere Pro exemplifies the concept of three steps forward and two steps back......

    Dr. Mordrid
    Last edited by Dr Mordrid; 27 August 2003, 17:31.
    Dr. Mordrid
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    An elephant is a mouse built to government specifications.

    I carry a gun because I can't throw a rock 1,250 fps

  • #2
    Great review Doc, and I totally agree with you

    Premiere Pro is a great NLE, however it does need some getting used to and load and loads of patience!

    Cheers,
    Elie

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    • #3
      Patience hell.....PROZAC!!

      I won't call it "great" until some of its glaring problems are addressed. Many are bad enough to give it a pass when there's no time for messing around.

      Dr. Mordrid
      Last edited by Dr Mordrid; 27 August 2003, 13:04.
      Dr. Mordrid
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      An elephant is a mouse built to government specifications.

      I carry a gun because I can't throw a rock 1,250 fps

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      • #4
        Doc,

        Thanks for the great information. I'm almost embarrased to say that I'm quite happy with MSP7. It's fast and stable on my system, and with the Moving Picture plug-in, I can do most everything my projects require. I would be happy with a nice evolution of MSP7. Better color correction, audio handling, etc...

        It's going to be very interesting to see how things progress in the NLE field...

        Mark
        - Mark

        Core 2 Duo E6400 o/c 3.2GHz - Asus P5B Deluxe - 2048MB Corsair Twinx 6400C4 - ATI AIW X1900 - Seagate 7200.10 SATA 320GB primary - Western Digital SE16 SATA 320GB secondary - Samsung SATA Lightscribe DVD/CDRW- Midiland 4100 Speakers - Presonus Firepod - Dell FP2001 20" LCD - Windows XP Home

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        • #5
          Having a program that meets your needs is nothing to be embarrased about, and MSPro7 has a lot over Premiere Pro in several areas dispite their efforts to feature-load it.

          Dr. Mordrid
          Last edited by Dr Mordrid; 27 August 2003, 17:28.
          Dr. Mordrid
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          An elephant is a mouse built to government specifications.

          I carry a gun because I can't throw a rock 1,250 fps

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          • #6
            Thanks for the insight Doc.
            I was considering upgrading, and all of this info, as well as the fact that win2k wasn't supported, has made up my mind form me.
            Yeah, well I'm gonna build my own lunar space lander! With blackjack aaaaannd Hookers! Actually, forget the space lander, and the blackjack. Ahhhh forget the whole thing!

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            • #7
              Doc --

              Thanks for the review. Two things interest me:

              First, your comment that DV realtime is slower than MSP 7 and Vegas 4. I don't have MSP 7, so I can't compare, but I do have Vegas, and my first impressions have been the opposite: Premiere Pro's software RT seems much faster than Vegas's. I notice that your listed system uses Athlon XPs; I'm running a P4 3.0 ghz machine. I know that Adobe has said that PPro is optimized for SSE2 and HT-capable machines; I wonder if that accounts for our different perceptions?

              Second, it almost sounds as if you're running PPro on the as-yet unreleased RTX.100 drivers. If so, does your NDA allow you to give us any hints about how that's working? In particular, can you tell us (or do you know from other sources) whether the RTX.100's RT filters can be used on the same timeline with PPro's software RT filters? The rumor on the Canopus forums is that the Storm PPro drivers will allow the RT modes to be mixed, which if they pull it off (and Matrox doesn't) will be a huge coup (as an owner of both a Storm 2 and a RTX.100, I just hope SOMEBODY manages to do this).

              Thanks!

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              • #8
                1. My AthlonXP systems lack of SSE2 may account for some of PPro's problems when playing realtime, but the difference was so stark that something else is obviously going on. Perhaps it has something to do with the complexity of my test.

                My test consisted of the following;

                background video + 25% scaled video PIP (includes a motion path, which is new to the Premiere RT engine but not MSPro's) + 30-35% coverage greenscreen

                The setup looks like this;



                All sources DV type2 and PPro running without the RT.X100 drivers. The background and PIP footage are playground shots with lots of motion.

                in MSP7 this played at a full 30fps and by actual test could handle 3 80x80 animated bugs as well. After that I removed the bugs and added a second greenscreen layer with about 20% coverage. That played at 30fps as well.

                in PPro the original setup only played at ~15 fps at first, dropping to ~4-6 fps in most portions. Obviously adding the bugs or the second greenscreen layer wasn't in the cards.

                After this I tried to make it easier for PPro by replacing the background video with a *.tga background image on the precept that a still would be easier to play once cached. No go...same result.

                PPro and MSPro were both set up to preview to the desktop only and not to the DV camera, presumably the setup with the lowest system loading. MSPro7 was set to its maximum multi-thread setting.

                2. I can't say anything specific about the RT.X100 drivers.

                3. rumors about the RT.X100 on the Canoups forums are as common as tabloids in a supermarket, and just about as accurate.

                Dr. Mordrid
                Last edited by Dr Mordrid; 28 August 2003, 08:09.
                Dr. Mordrid
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                An elephant is a mouse built to government specifications.

                I carry a gun because I can't throw a rock 1,250 fps

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