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Brian R.
5th July 2003, 21:00
would you use if you had to drive it off the dealer lot, hook up a trailer it will tow with provisions, and drive 2000 miles across a hilly desert with no ability to obtain additional provisions or help along the way?

I would vote for a Toyota Land Cruiser, considering Toyota build quality off the showroom and also the poor mileage some more extreme 4wheelers get and the need to haul your gasoline.

Sasq
5th July 2003, 21:03
Done and did that with a land cruiser on a regular basis. damn good machine

Dr Mordrid
5th July 2003, 21:06
Most likely a Range Rover, Toyota Land Cruiser or Jeep Cherokee, properly prepared of course.

I'm thinking oversized tranny cooler and radiator, Baha lights, a charge of synthetic lubricants for engine, tranny and wheel bearings, over sized or dual fuel tanks, appropriate tires & rims, extra tire racks plus any heavy duty off road options you can get.

I'd also take a complete tool kit (metric and SAE), extra fuel pump and pickup, 2-3 complete extra filter kits (air, oil, breathers etc.), 2-3 oil changes (oil dies fast in the desert heat), extra synthetic wheel bearing, tranny & rear axel lubes, a water generation kit (plastic sheets, shovel, 1 oz. fishing sinkers & several 12 oz cups) etc. etc.

You can never be too prepared :D

Dr. Mordrid

Kruzin
5th July 2003, 21:11
Dodge Ram 2500/3500 V10 pickemup truck.
My pop's got one, and we haul a large boat from denver to lake powell a couple times a year with it. Thing will do 80mph without a pause, never even noticing it's hauling a large load. Even going up the big hills in the rocky mountains, it will handily pass most vehicles on the highway....

http://www.dodge.com/ram_2500_3500/index.html

Brian R.
5th July 2003, 21:26
Doc - What, no laptop? :)

Gurm
5th July 2003, 21:27
Well, if I had to be comfy, Range Rover.

If I just had to get the job done...

Probably a Defender 90.

- Gurm

KvHagedorn
5th July 2003, 21:37
Ford F350 Diesel Pickup

Maybe a Dodge 1 ton diesel

Dr Mordrid
5th July 2003, 22:00
Originally posted by Brian R.
Doc - What, no laptop? :) My experience comes from running around the desert southwest US for a month in my youth. We took a Rover and had a great time, but not without breakdowns or troubles. Such it is over that kind of terrain.

I probably would take a laptop, but wouldn't forget some form of radio communications rig as well.

Dr. Mordrid

Sasq
5th July 2003, 22:01
In oz, land cruiser or land rover is the way to go, with the land cruiser being the preference. for work I had one with dual tanks, real bull bar, spots powerful enough to use as an emergecy break, winch etc etc.

oh and did I mention you could get parts anywhere for the LC? :)

K6-III
5th July 2003, 23:53
I'd take a VW Lupo deisel and ship the trailer as Freight via rail...

Brian Ellis
6th July 2003, 01:14
The important thing is the winch. It can get you out of a whole host of trouble if it should rain. And don't forget a GPS so that you can radio your position if all your precautions are in vain. Always carry at least three times as much water as you think you ever could possibly need and then some. Also, it is better to travel with two vehicles, if possible. If you should break down ALWAYS STAY WITH YOUR VEHICLE.

Edit: carry a large mirror so that you can flash a search party/plane and have a smoke signal ready for lighting. Don't forget the matches, either.

ZokesPro
6th July 2003, 04:08
I'd do it in my Saturn!!! It can go anywhere! :D (it sure hells proved itself yesterday!)

Seriously, I'd want to try it in an LM200 or Lan Rover.

VJ
6th July 2003, 04:40
I must say, there are some great advices here (the oversized coolers, the GPS, ...). I doubt I'll ever need them (if you can drive 10km in Belgium without seeing a house, another car or a cyclist, let me know :)).

Apart from a winch, wouldn't some (don't know how they are called, but they are sometimes needed in rallys like Paris-Dakar) metal plates and a (small) shovel be usefull, should you get stuck in the sand without anything close enough to attach the winch to ? The plates could be placed under the wheels, as to provide more grip to get the car out of the sand.


Originally posted by Brian Ellis
Edit: carry a large mirror so that you can flash a search party/plane and have a smoke signal ready for lighting. Don't forget the matches, either.

A flare gun (or several flares) might perhaps do the trick ?

(I'd vote for a Hummer H1 :D )



Jörg

JohnnyBond
6th July 2003, 05:15
A question: What do you really think of a hummer (military or civilian) for this task?

RedRed
6th July 2003, 05:15
landrover

All the kit Brian and Dr M mentioned.

company :)

RedRed

MultimediaMan
6th July 2003, 07:09
The Hummer is a great vehicle, but properly maintaining it is beyond many owners' abilities.

Remember what it was designed for: Military operations, not completely autonomous operations. Hummers set up for deep reconnaisance look very different from the rank-and-file machines setup for convoy duty.

That said, there have been quite a few retrofitted with gasoline engines and some other hardware changes for rally-type racing, and they do just fine.

Fat Tone
6th July 2003, 08:06
Toyota Landcruiser 4.2VX - I've done many many 1000's of miles in one, (mainly road use) and a lot of it off-road. Costs a lot to maintain, but it never ever lets you down.

T.

VJ
6th July 2003, 08:31
Yes, I was just kidding; I think this comment best describes it:


Originally posted by MultimediaMan
Remember what it was designed for: Military operations, not completely autonomous operations. Hummers set up for deep reconnaisance look very different from the rank-and-file

More seriously, I'd also think you can't go wrong with a LandCruiser or Land Rover or something like that... (*true* off-roaders, unlike e.g. the BMW, as I read it really doesn't work off road)


Jörg

Wombat
6th July 2003, 10:37
A hummer wouldn't be ideal. Still, you have to respect any vehicle with 4WD but can still move itself if three of the wheels are knocked powerless.

Brian R.
7th July 2003, 06:53
I had rejected the Hummer since I assumed it couldn't pull a trailer with the necessary gasoline and provisions given it's gas mileage.

cjolley
7th July 2003, 10:01
All your choices are too small and unreliable.
I drove one of these with a concrete pump on it for 17 years.
It'll go anywhere and never break.
Take my word for it, this is what you want.:
http://www.macktrucks.com/default.aspx?pageid=61
chuck

gt40
7th July 2003, 10:08
he wanted something with 20 miles per gallon, not 20 gallons per mile :D

RedRed
7th July 2003, 10:14
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when I follow the link.....

cjolley
7th July 2003, 10:15
Originally posted by gt40
he wanted something with 20 miles per gallon, not 20 gallons per mile :D

With the tiny load he's talking about it might get 20mpg.
I drove it before they put the 45,000lb pump on it and it drove like a race car!
chuck

cjolley
7th July 2003, 10:18
Originally posted by RedRed
when I follow the link.....
well, same thing just happened to me :confused:
changed it to:
http://www.macktrucks.com/default.aspx?pageid=61
chuck

Gurm
7th July 2003, 12:45
Yeah but for offroading? Those sorts of trucks are fine if you have a road to drive them on.

I'll still take a Rover, thanks. Or perhaps a Mercedes Gelundavagon (sp?), NOT a G-Class but the real deal...

- Gurm

cjolley
7th July 2003, 12:57
Originally posted by Gurm
...I'll still take a Rover, thanks. Or perhaps a Mercedes Gelundavagon (sp?), NOT a G-Class but the real deal...


Cool, then if you get that tinkertoy stuck, I can pull you & your 6 buddies out at the same time :)
chuck

PS Realy, I've had them off road a lot carrying much larger loads than he is talking about (64,000lb gvw).
They can still pull if only one wheelset gets traction.
There's no substitute for all those big tires and > 1200ft/lb of torque. :eek:

Brian R.
7th July 2003, 13:39
One of the criteria is that you have to be able to afford to buy it for the drive...

Wulfman
7th July 2003, 13:43
Originally posted by Gurm
Yeah but for offroading? Those sorts of trucks are fine if you have a road to drive them on.

I'll still take a Rover, thanks. Or perhaps a Mercedes Gelundavagon (sp?), NOT a G-Class but the real deal...

- Gurm

geländewagen?

or do you mean the "unimog" (http://www.mercedes-benz.com/e/ecars/unimog/default.htm)? versatile little beast...

mfg
wulfman

PS.: http://www.driveoffroad.com/unimog%201954.jpg ;) (classic version)

cjolley
7th July 2003, 14:02
Originally posted by Brian R.
One of the criteria is that you have to be able to afford to buy it for the drive...

You could easlily get a used Mack MR600S with a 300hp (ie small) engine , 9 Speed, and AC for $20,000 - $50,000.
So it could be cheaper than some of the the others.
And wouldn't even notice the trip or the load.

chuck
PS You could even carry a UNIMOG as a spare.
PPS Toyota

Wulfman
7th July 2003, 14:41
Originally posted by cjolley
PS You could even carry a UNIMOG as a spare.
you got me. I expected a lot of jokes, but not this one. I know these unimogs, one can see them quite often up in the mountains, crawling around where no one is expecting a car anymore (summer & winter).

mfg
wulfman

gt40
7th July 2003, 16:48
Range Rover.
nuff said

seether
7th July 2003, 18:46
Now you all should've expected this answer coming from me -

http://www.car-data.com/xpage.preview/pre.template.asp?mfg=volkswagen&model=touareg

http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=34&article_id=2434

Co-developed with Porsche (Theirs is the Cayenne, more of a soccer mom SUV never to touch dirt though)

I'm waiting a couple of years to see how it fares, but if it's anywhere near as off road capable as my 71 F100 it will be in my driveway by 2005.

gt40
7th July 2003, 18:52
ok if you want the ultimate:http://www.lambocars.com/framed/lm/lm.htm

Wombat
7th July 2003, 19:02
Originally posted by seether

Co-developed with Porsche (Theirs is the Cayenne, more of a soccer mom SUV never to touch dirt though)
Huh? The Cayenne seems to be a real SUV from the reviews I've read. It does a lot better off-road than half the "SUVs" out there.

seether
7th July 2003, 20:10
It is a real SUV - the soccer mom comment was my subjective take

It's lower, the drivetrain is a 60/40 split I think, and the fact that it will probably be a $70,000 + suv makes one think the target buyer is more of a grocery getter plus no white knuckles in snow than the weekend trips up mt Elbert

Marshmallowman
7th July 2003, 21:59
probably not easy to find anywhere except OZ is the OKA

http://www.ecars.com.au/Oka/Oka.html

crude looking, krap top speed...but it will pretty anywhere you want to go.

They are made to spend months in the bush. No components are exotic they are built with parts that are easilty replacable for those unforseen circumstances..

I alway's love the specs, compare the power to torque produced. It not going anywhere fast but its going to F%#ing get there no matter what...

Power 81 at 2800, torque 354 at 1600, 5spd gearbox, 2spd transfer-case, wheel-base 3045mm, 8.25x16 or 9.00x16 tyres.

Sasq
7th July 2003, 22:31
One of the guys in Alice used to have one (maint for telstra) He'd go of on a maintenance run for 2 months at time. He always got back. :D

Dan

az
8th July 2003, 00:54
Those Unimogs... sturdy as hell. I read some years ago that they produced a "fun" Unimog, I guess for people who think SUVs are too small.. 32 gears forward and backwards, lowest gear under 100m per hour top speed.

AZ

ALBPM
8th July 2003, 07:35
If you want an affordable "Reliable" vehicle that will get 20+ miles per gallon....Get a 4-Runner. It will go more places than the gas guzzling Landcruiser.

http://home.houston.rr.com/keisur/images/dogs/fullflex.jpg

http://www.showmesome.info/hilux/images/photos/owners/big_patrick02.jpg

http://www.showmesome.info/hilux/images/photos/owners/big_patrick04.jpg

Brian R.
9th July 2003, 07:19
20+ mpg?

ALBPM
9th July 2003, 07:25
I average 22.5 for my typical work week. Combined city and a bit of highway driving with the AC running full time these days.

Fat Tone
9th July 2003, 07:32
You wouldn't want to do that with UK petrol prices, even if they are a little cheaper now (~75p/litre) than they were (~85p/litre)!

Of course, we try to respect emmisions quotas here too ;)