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Lizzard[MPE]
2nd July 2003, 15:54
nasty pictures attatched

Lizzard[MPE]
2nd July 2003, 15:55
hahaha my foot is disgusting,

thats like 25 days after the fact

Lizzard[MPE]
2nd July 2003, 15:56
another

Lizzard[MPE]
2nd July 2003, 15:57
my foot is still swelled and all the skin is falling off it hahahaha gross

Lizzard[MPE]
2nd July 2003, 16:01
another

mutz
2nd July 2003, 16:02
Nice contortionsist photography.

Nice bandage imprints in skin.

Bad spider!

J1NG
2nd July 2003, 16:14
Ewww... :)

J1NG

GNEP
2nd July 2003, 16:21
Wot J1NG said... :( poor Liz

Lambo-Fan
2nd July 2003, 16:25
Damn, that's not so nice :confused:. I hope it will heal up as soon as possible. Must be very painful.

Your "normal"´(cute) photos look much better :p.

Jörg

Byock
2nd July 2003, 16:42
That does look nasty. For $60k you would think you would have a gold bandaid. :p

Lizzard[MPE]
2nd July 2003, 16:55
haha it wont heal for months

Lizzard[MPE]
2nd July 2003, 17:04
this any better haha

J1NG
2nd July 2003, 17:05
Yes, yes, yes!

:p

Kidding.

:D

J1NG

Lizzard[MPE]
2nd July 2003, 17:06
lol

Lizzard[MPE]
2nd July 2003, 17:08
pssshaa

Lizzard[MPE]
2nd July 2003, 17:09
ok im done haha

KRSESQ
2nd July 2003, 18:25
my foot is still swelled and all the skin is falling off it hahahaha gross

It's a Goth's dream come true.

Kevin

Lambo-Fan
2nd July 2003, 18:42
Great pictures Lizzie!!! :up: ;)

Exactly the kind of photos I "asked" for :D.

Tjalfe
2nd July 2003, 19:37
Yeah.. your face is nicer looking than the spider bite :D
good to hear that it is healing ... damn spiders... any news on a possible lawsuit?

Helevitia
2nd July 2003, 20:30
Damn, that spider ****ed you up! Very nice portrait pictures :) You are a very beautiful girl.

Dave

KvHagedorn
2nd July 2003, 21:13
That last pic looks kinda spooky, Liz.. you don't look happy at all..

Claymonkey
2nd July 2003, 21:19
what's it with people I know and spider bites? Close friend at work had one on HER foot and the whole thing swelled and turned purple. Healing faster than yours though

ZokesPro
2nd July 2003, 21:26
Those three last pics you look very classy, Catherine Zeta Jones classy.

As for the other pics... they pretty much speak for themselves. :speechl:

The Rock
3rd July 2003, 19:49
Cool! Your foot looks like a flesh-colored elephant foot. Mutants rock. :)

gt40
3rd July 2003, 19:52
you are a sweety.
spiders must like sugar.
:)

KRSESQ
3rd July 2003, 21:04
You're in good company, Liz. My sister-in-law's husband was bitten by a Black Widow when they were living in Utah. He offers his commiseration.

Kevin

ALBPM
3rd July 2003, 21:53
Friggn spiders!!!! What is it this year. More people I know have been bitten lately than usual.

Beezer
4th July 2003, 08:31
Wow, glad to hear the foot is healing now. I've been away from the forums for a bit, so I'm just now catching up on things.

I've lived around black widows my entire life -- they give me "the creeps", but so far I've never been bitten. A black widow's web is very much different than any other spider web -- it's very strong and stiff. Whenever I touch one, I get shivers down my spine.

I was reading your earlier post about visiting San Jose. Like Dave said, too bad we didn't know you were in our neighborhood. We would have loved to at least get together for a couple of drinks. I hope you don't keep a bad memory of the Bay Area 'cause it's really got a lot of cool places and great people. :cool:

M|x
4th July 2003, 11:00
dont you look pretty :p


though luck with the foot :-\

Gurm
5th July 2003, 05:48
/me demands more revealing pics of Liz. ;) ;) ;)

- Gurm

The Rock
5th July 2003, 16:10
Speaking of mutants Liz, do you feel any special "black widow" powers developing yet? Like maybe the urge to marry a rich guy, then kill him and collect on both the inheritance AND the insurance? :D

KvHagedorn
5th July 2003, 16:14
.. or perhaps knit yourself some tights and go swinging around the city with your new wrist-webspinner glands. :D

J1NG
5th July 2003, 16:18
In any event, don't forget to give us the shots! :D

J1NG

Lambo-Fan
5th July 2003, 17:17
Originally posted by J1NG
In any event, don't forget to give us the shots! :D

J1NG

Yes, especially the revealing shots!!! :) :o :o :o

Indiana
5th July 2003, 18:38
Ouch! Especially the picture where you can see the whole foot looks not so nice. Hope the swelling fully vanishes soon.

The other photos: Nice, as ever... ;)

rylan
6th July 2003, 10:50
Oof. hope thats getting better Liz.
You look into getting the hotel to pay for your medical expenses?

Lizzard[MPE]
6th July 2003, 19:23
you men, i swear.so funny :D


im tryin not to think bad thoughts about the bay area, but its too hard at present.

i was driving home from work the other night and i saw a car with a san jose license plate thingy. i wanted to run her over.

but im working on that :D

M|x
6th July 2003, 19:25
Originally posted by Lizzard[MPE]
you men, i swear.so funny :D



cant blame us either :rolleyes:

KvHagedorn
6th July 2003, 19:33
You shoulda just called Dave and gotten sloshed over at his house. :D Heck, if you're ever around here you'd better call.. we've got a spider-free guest room. :)

Laurie
6th July 2003, 21:05
Liz, be thankful it wasn't a brown recluse....

Warning.. the pics following the spider are NOT pretty.

Laurie
6th July 2003, 21:06
Day 3

Laurie
6th July 2003, 21:13
Day 4

Laurie
6th July 2003, 21:20
Day 6

Lizzard[MPE]
6th July 2003, 21:26
the doc said it was a brown recluse. cos black widows leave two marks. and the black widow leaves one. and over itme the black widow bite gets better. where as the recluse bite gets worse. mine got worse.

did you take those pics? thats about what my foot looked like!!! when i was in the hospital

KvHagedorn
6th July 2003, 21:40
ew.. whose hands are those? Did it ever heal? What had to be done to get it to start healing?

GuchiGuh
7th July 2003, 03:21
sizzle.....

rylan
7th July 2003, 07:18
Eww.. yeah recluse spider venom basically keeps dissolving/killing the flesh around the bite. nasty stuff

Laurie
7th July 2003, 07:19
The fellow that posted these on another board never did tell us if the hands were his......

Warning...sort of ugly...really ugly.....

Day 9
















..

Laurie
7th July 2003, 07:23
Last one...day 10

Tjalfe
7th July 2003, 07:38
that looks really nasty!
is there no anti - venum / enzymes, which can stop the flesh from dissolving?

M|x
7th July 2003, 08:20
ouch! once again, im glad to live in norway. the only spiders we got, is the ones on the size of a coin. included the legs :) the only animal i can come up with who bites, and is lethal is the adder. not much of it. you got to get out in the forrest. and who are we kidding, im never in the forrset.

Lizzard[MPE]
10th July 2003, 14:58
OH MY ****ING GOD.


THANK **** I WENT TO THE HOSPITAL.

THAT IS GROSS.

Greebe
10th July 2003, 15:07
Think I just got bit by a Brown Recluse spider on my ankle... they are rampant around these parts often spanning 3"

If not then it was a just another mosquito... so it's either West Nile or more gross pics to come... tho that's doubtful... treated area with clear ammonia which neutralizes the sting of mosquito bites and Jelly fish stingers so it should work on this :)

Interestingly enough we also have a zillion of these toads that eat them whole

cjolley
10th July 2003, 15:12
Another good thing to put on bites is Meat Tenderizer.
If the poison is protein based the enzyme will destroy a lot of it.
Works very well on bee stings.
chuck

Greebe
10th July 2003, 15:19
eYup :)

Technoid
10th July 2003, 15:44
that guy with the thumb should have whent to a doctor and not photographing it :eek: :eek:

That looks like it will neve heal again :rolleyes:

ZokesPro
10th July 2003, 16:06
Originally posted by Technoid
that guy with the thumb should have whent to a doctor and not photographing it :eek: :eek:

That looks like it will neve heal again :rolleyes: It can heal, just acquire some maggots, they will eat the dead flesh. Once all the dead flesh is gone then remove the maggots and go about your regular healing, maggots work wonders.

Goc
10th July 2003, 16:50
Damn... This is too much...:eek:

mutz
10th July 2003, 16:59
Liz, you alright?

...good. That's all I stopped by for. I've seen that other stuff before. On my own leg.

YUCK!!!

paulcs
10th July 2003, 17:29
Originally posted by Lizzard[MPE]
the doc said it was a brown recluse. cos black widows leave two marks. and the black widow leaves one. and over itme the black widow bite gets better. where as the recluse bite gets worse. mine got worse.

did you take those pics? thats about what my foot looked like!!! when i was in the hospital

Oh wow. I am in NO way claiming that Liz was not bitten by a spider or attempting to minimize the severity of the bite, but there is reason to doubt it was a brown recluse. There is a lot of literature about the California brown recluse myth. Some of these articles were written by the same guy, Rick Vetter from UC Riverside, and he has issued the brown recluse challenge:

http://spiders.ucr.edu/challenge.html

From the University of California Statewide Integrated Pest Management Program (UC Davis):

... there are no populations of the brown recluse Loxosceles reclusa, in the state and fewer than 10 verified specimens have been collected over several decades in California. Yet people frequently relate stories in which they or someone they know was supposedly bitten by a brown recluse in California. This publication was written in response to the confusion that exists regarding brown recluse spiders in California.

Here is an article from the UC Riverside Department of Entomology site on the evil thumb pictures:

http://spiders.ucr.edu/hyperbole2003.html

And another article from UC Riverside on the brown recluse myth:

This website presents evidence for the lack of brown recluse spiders as part of the Californian spider fauna. Unfortunately, this contradicts what most Californians believe; beliefs that are born out of media-driven hyperbole and erroneous, anxiety-filled public hearsay which is further compounded by medical misdiagnoses.

http://spiders.ucr.edu/myth.html

Another article from the "Dermatology Online Journal ":

However, outside the natural range of these recluse species, the conviction that they are the etiological agents behind necrotic lesions of unknown origin is widespread, and most often erroneous. In some states such as California, unsubstantiated reports concerning recluse spider bites have taken on the status of "urban legend" leading to overdiagnosis and, therefore, inappropriate treatment.

http://dermatology.cdlib.org/DOJvol5num2/special/recluse.html

Here's an article about Vetter and his work from "National Geographic":

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/02/0213_030213_brownrecluse.html

Paul

Lizzard[MPE]
10th July 2003, 17:50
ive seen those articles online. the ER doctor i saw in the hospital happened to be from san jose. and he worked at that hospital and saw quite a few bites like mine.

the brown recluse spider isnt that big greebe and we dont have them in our parts :D i think they are only 2-3cms long., not inches

they said that it wasnt a black widow cos they leave two marks and with time the blck widow bite heals

they said with the brown recluse bite. or the bite from a recluse spider doesnt heal it gets worse from time.

there are also lots of online articles from universities saying that there are recluses in california.

hard to believe anything online anymore.

all the specialists that saw me said the same thing, that it was a recluse bite

so who knows. all i know is that it ****ing sucked and was painful as all hell

Lizzard[MPE]
10th July 2003, 17:53
lol and i know i was bit by a spider, they said they might have to amutate my foot when i went in to the hospital. haha i dont think they wouold have said that if i got bit by a misquito or something haha

Lambo-Fan
10th July 2003, 18:08
Originally posted by Lizzard[MPE]
they said they might have to amutate my foot when i went in to the hospital

OMG :eek:! I'm really happy that they didn't amputate it.
Lizzie with only one foot left wouldn't be as cool as before :D.
Best wishes for you!!! :)

Jörg

KvHagedorn
10th July 2003, 21:26
Originally posted by Lizzard[MPE]
lol and i know i was bit by a spider, they said they might have to amutate my foot when i went in to the hospital. haha i dont think they wouold have said that if i got bit by a misquito or something haha

I don't think I would have been lol-ing or haha-ing if they had told me that.. more like "THE **** YOU WILL!" After which I would have grabbed the nearest weapon and backed my way outta that place! :eek:

Sasq
10th July 2003, 21:38
pretty much what my Dad did a few years ago. Huge diabetic ulcer on his foot. (the photo's of which make that thumb and spider bite look tame). They said we'll probably have to amputate. His answer was 'Like hell..' 5 weeks in hospital (good private) and he kept the foot.

KvHagedorn
10th July 2003, 21:41
http://dermatology.cdlib.org/DOJvol5num2/special/recluse.html

Strahd
10th July 2003, 22:00
Originally posted by Lizzard[MPE]
lol and i know i was bit by a spider, they said they might have to amutate my foot when i went in to the hospital. haha i dont think they wouold have said that if i got bit by a misquito or something haha

God damn, your heart must have stopped when the said that.

So a bite from a Brown Recluse gets worse until the point it's treated, or there is no treatment and in only gets worse?

You mentioned that over time the bite from a black widow heals... Do you mean even if untreated? How painful was it when the bite first happened?


I still can't believe that thump. Can you imaging if he was bit in a certain other place.:disapp:

Hope you're feeling better.

Greebe
10th July 2003, 22:35
Thanks for posting that link I sent ya Chuck. Just like this guy I was talking to the otherday while fishing... he's a couple decades my younger and has fished in Florida all his life, but nowhere else. What he called a "Brim" wouldn't be from where you are from or where I'm from Lizzie... their patterns and shape are very different. That's when I tossed him a tube of Preperation H and informed that there are over 3000 species of fish related to "Brim", large mouth, South American Oscars, Blue Gill, Red Eye, Perch etc were all interrelated within the same genius.

edit

Cute Chuck, keep it in your pants or you'll meet the fate my nextdoor neighbour did last week. :) What I ment was I reamed him out with facts after have tossed him a tube of PH for the anal retentive additude he was dishing.

/edit

Greebe
11th July 2003, 00:50
Lordeee about forgot, Ryan (my son) was bitten by this very same type of spider a year ago last January.. treated it just as I did and tho got very swollen/took forever and a day to healup it was nothing like in these pics. But then again if treated immediately it doesn't get all that bad :)

KvHagedorn
11th July 2003, 00:57
LOL you had me scared there for a minute. :D

Technoid
11th July 2003, 02:05
Originally posted by ZokesPro
It can heal, just acquire some maggots, they will eat the dead flesh. Once all the dead flesh is gone then remove the maggots and go about your regular healing, maggots work wonders.
mayby in a hospital supervised by doctors ;)

and if something heal is a question on how much has been lost ;)

RhinoZ
11th July 2003, 05:33
@ Greebe
I guess it's true then, in last summers movie My Big Fat Greek Wedding" the father cures all skin related problems with windex.
Guess what I'm doing next time. :D
But sersiously you guys are scaring the crap out of me.:o
But I'm super glad everythings working great with all you guys with the bites. Hate to read stuff like this:(

NetSnake
11th July 2003, 09:36
black widdow poison improves sex life (ABC News) (http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s898946.htm)
:D :D :D

cjolley
11th July 2003, 10:07
Originally posted by NetSnake
black widdow poison improves sex life (ABC News) (http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s898946.htm)
:D :D :D

I'll bet the male Black Widdow doesn't feel that way about it.:D
chuck

Technoid
11th July 2003, 11:25
ROFL!!

UtwigMU
11th July 2003, 11:30
Hope your foot is better by now, you're still looking good.

Kooldino
11th July 2003, 11:59
*Wonders why the stupid spider couldn't have bit her on the butt*

<---jerk

:-D
:D

(lol)

ALBPM
11th July 2003, 12:54
ROFL!!!!!! Yes, Yes more pics Liz :_pirate: :_pirate: Arrrr

thop
11th July 2003, 12:59
Originally posted by ZokesPro
It can heal, just acquire some maggots, they will eat the dead flesh. Once all the dead flesh is gone then remove the maggots and go about your regular healing, maggots work wonders.
Yep gotta love them magic maggots!

Wombat
11th July 2003, 15:31
Except that you'd need hospital-grade maggots. Your average maggot isn't the cleanest thing.

On my last biking wounds I used raw honey. Amazing stuff. It was an old wives' tale, but I read up on the latest research, and honey has significant benefits. It's an amazing anti-bacterial (I read of 6 cases so far where honey healed wounds that had golden staph infections, and hadn't responded to antibiotics), accelerates healing, and even helps the body with cleaning and handling the necrotic tissue.

My wounds haven't healed so fast since I was a child, and I did have some dead flesh there that my body handled in ways I hadn't seen before (It actually lifted itself off the wound over time, and was easy to remove).

I'll definitely be using it the future.

paulcs
11th July 2003, 15:34
Originally posted by Lizzard[MPE]
lol and i know i was bit by a spider, they said they might have to amutate my foot when i went in to the hospital. haha i dont think they wouold have said that if i got bit by a misquito or something haha

I hope you didn't get the impression from my post that I thought you weren't bitten by a spider. The question is, which spider? Apparently, there are a lot of them here, and they're not all friendly. I assumed the Bay Area spiders were friendly, however. Your incident has put the fear of the spider god into me. As if the earthquakes and Raider fans weren't enough. :eek:

I grew up in New York City and moved to San Francisco, so if it ain't a cockroach, I don't know much about it, and I'm most likely afraid of it.

Never let a California doctor near your foot with a scalpel. That's their solution for everything. ;)

Paul

M|x
11th July 2003, 16:03
Originally posted by Wombat

On my last biking wounds I used raw honey.

WOW! i read bikini twice :D
scary

Admiral
11th July 2003, 16:19
pervert :p

Hmm, 'xcept bees, mosquitoes and small jellyfish, I don't think I've been bitten/stung by anything.

Strahd
11th July 2003, 20:09
Originally posted by Wombat
On my last biking wounds I used raw honey. Amazing stuff. It was an old wives' tale, but I read up on the latest research, and honey has significant benefits. It's an amazing anti-bacterial (I read of 6 cases so far where honey healed wounds that had golden staph infections, and hadn't responded to antibiotics), accelerates healing, and even helps the body with cleaning and handling the necrotic tissue.


It's truly awesome the miracles of some of the more natural disinfectants.

Lizzard[MPE]
13th July 2003, 11:33
Originally posted by KvHagedorn
http://dermatology.cdlib.org/DOJvol5num2/special/recluse.html

"Recluses typically bite when they are trapped between flesh and another surface, as when a sleeping human rolls over on a prowling spider, or when putting on clothing or shoes containing spiders. "

hhhahaha fockers

Lizzard[MPE]
13th July 2003, 11:39
Originally posted by Strahd
God damn, your heart must have stopped when the said that.

So a bite from a Brown Recluse gets worse until the point it's treated, or there is no treatment and in only gets worse?

You mentioned that over time the bite from a black widow heals... Do you mean even if untreated? How painful was it when the bite first happened?


I still can't believe that thump. Can you imaging if he was bit in a certain other place.:disapp:

Hope you're feeling better.


im not sure everything about black widows. i was just told by the doctors that if i didnt come in right when i did it would have gotten worse and worse. you have a bad fever, thats why people die from these things. older people and kids more then others. but it gets worse.

i didnt feel the bite at all until i woke up and tried to walk on my foot in the morning. the pain got worse and worse as the days went by. like serioussssss pain. hah ive been through a lot. but trying to walk on my foot and travel through different airports. felt like i was going to pass out due to the pain on my foot :D

Lizzard[MPE]
13th July 2003, 11:41
Originally posted by paulcs
I hope you didn't get the impression from my post that I thought you weren't bitten by a spider. The question is, which spider? Apparently, there are a lot of them here, and they're not all friendly. I assumed the Bay Area spiders were friendly, however. Your incident has put the fear of the spider god into me. As if the earthquakes and Raider fans weren't enough. :eek:

I grew up in New York City and moved to San Francisco, so if it ain't a cockroach, I don't know much about it, and I'm most likely afraid of it.

Never let a California doctor near your foot with a scalpel. That's their solution for everything. ;)

Paul

haha the scalpel thing ****ing hurt. im still not over that. i have a fear of those now too, not only spiders and needles. :D:D

going to be hard to know exactly what it was without seeing the damn thing. wish i would have looked for it or something but didnt. :/

GuchiGuh
14th July 2003, 04:11
I have no idea, please do not ask. I got this from an EMail Forward. One thing for sure: THIS was not a spider.....

GuchiGuh
14th July 2003, 04:12
I will remove if requested.

M|x
14th July 2003, 05:30
so you are against porn, but this is ok?

GuchiGuh
14th July 2003, 05:50
I never said that~

GuchiGuh
14th July 2003, 05:51
I think thats indonesia.

GuchiGuh
14th July 2003, 05:53
I remove~ sick...
I found a korean BBS some time ago, with very graphic images.

DukeP
23rd July 2003, 14:54
One more. Groossss...
The chance of getting bitten by anything dangeroues here in EU, is less than 1/10000 of getting killed by a car...

Too little nature, too many cars. :)

Anyhow: Please continue your endearing story, Lizz ;)
Serious: I would like to hear how Your cooping, etc.
I hope it will (eventually) turn into one of those "Ray of light" stories, complete including prince charming, a castle, and the chance to beat Arnold to the post as govenor.

:D

~~DukeP~~

Dr Mordrid
23rd July 2003, 21:32
paulcs;

While you quote a lot of articles you ignore a few things;

1. the history of the bite matches the profile of the Brown Recluse (aka: Violin spider because of markings found in most, but not all, varieties) in that their venom is hemolytic; killing the cells around the bite, leaving a gangrenous lesion with eventual exposure of the underlying tissues if treatment is delayed. Their bite would also heal slowly, sometimes taking a year or more, and leave a prominent scar.

Sound familiar Lizzie?

2. the brown recluse range includes Texas. With the heavy traffic from there to California it's not a stretch that a breeding population has hitch-hiked to California. In fact there are four recluse spider species indiginous to California:

L. deserta: the "desert recluse" and most common
L. russelli, L. palma and L. martha: rare

Is it so hard to believe that a few hitched a ride to more populated regions of their home state?

3. that they can migrate inter-state easily is proven since their normal range had previously only extended to southern Illinois and east to the southnern states, but starting in 2000 a breeding population was found in Michigan. Steps were taken to eradicte them, but with the high volume of traffic here from southern states....

4. bites have been reported at points as far north as New York, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Wyoming, Maryland and Massachusetts with some of them fatal, so the brown recluse traveling out of its normal range and causing trouble isn't exactly unusual.

5. the only limit to their spread is that they can't live in environments below 40F, which is no problem in California. Here in Michigan, where it does get a lot colder than 40F, they've only been found in buildings. This too goes along with their normal behavior since they are known to be synanthropic (often found around humans), and so are considered a house spider.

Goodie :eek:

6. identification; if you can see the recluse identification can be attempted by checking their eyes. This because most all other spiders have 8 eyes in two rows of 4 each. Recluses have 6 equal sized eyes arranged in 3 pairs which in turn are arranged in a semi-circle.

http://digitalvideo.8m.net/brownrecluseeyes.jpg

This is a more accurate means than using color or the violin marking, which can be imagined in other species, but this still isn't a perfect identifier since a few other spiders also have 6 eyes.

Dr. Mordrid

Fat Tone
24th July 2003, 01:40
I could cope reading this thread (and perhaps fortunately didn't see Guchiguh's little lapse) but Doc's photograph has my skin crawling...:eek:

Lizzard[MPE]
26th July 2003, 23:12
doc- thank you very much for all of your information. that was very interesting in reading. cheers, lizzie

The PIT
28th July 2003, 01:16
Well I see you've got to freeze your house for a few hours a day to get rid of the buggers. Nasty little critters aren't they.