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Dr Mordrid
25th March 2003, 08:11
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/030325/1/39dlk.html


As 25 more new SARS cases were reported in Hong Kong, the WHO head office in Geneva said a meeting planned on Tuesday will determine if there is need to impose travel restrictions to stem the spread of SARS, which manifests itself as a form of pneumonia.

The mystery virus, spread through direct close contact with an infected person, has caused at least 17 deaths and 456 "suspected or probable" cases around the world, WHO officials said.Looking grim based on the case reports I've read.

Dr. Mordrid

ZokesPro
25th March 2003, 08:15
I read the news on that yesterday, grim indeed. Especially since they don't know what it is.

Apparently they had to close down a few schools and recommended that people wear those face masks and avoid populated areas to avoid infection.

GT98
25th March 2003, 08:27
Why is this in the temp forum?

Ant
25th March 2003, 08:29
I just saw that Doc posted it and put two and two together :D

Tjalfe
25th March 2003, 08:37
There are now 15 cases of SARS in Ontario, Canada...3 dead, according to CBC radio this morning :(

The PIT
25th March 2003, 08:50
Just needless panic stirring.

GNEP
25th March 2003, 08:51
Oops. Just arranged a workshop for next week which needs a couple of colleagues from Singapore to come along... hope they are OK...

ZokesPro
25th March 2003, 08:53
Originally posted by tjalfe
There are now 15 cases of SARS in Ontario, Canada...3 dead, according to CBC radio this morning :( Did they mention in what city?

gt40
25th March 2003, 08:56
All 3 in SCarborough general hospital - I believe they had been back from a visit to Asia

cjolley
25th March 2003, 10:48
Yikes! :eek:
http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Living/ap20030325_600.html

chuck

az
25th March 2003, 12:05
Originally posted by Ant
I just saw that Doc posted it and put two and two together :D

LOL :D

AZ

Jammrock
25th March 2003, 12:19
Genetically altered on purpose? Or the next natural evolution of the common cold?

hmmmm...

Jammrock

Dr Mordrid
25th March 2003, 13:58
It's not the cold or flu virus, but these days who can tell if it was engineered? I'd sure as hell be more suspicious of it these days than I would have been a couple of years ago, that's for sure.

The guys at Frankfurt University say their suspected bug resembles paramyxovirus, the family of virii that causes measles, mumps and canine distemper.

The paramyxovirus family also includes the respiratory syncytial virus, which causes croup in children, and parainfluenza virus, which causes flu-like symptoms but is not the flu.

So far the work here is pointing to it being a new variant of paramyxovirus.

Which ever way this goes getting a new vaccine for this bug is very important because it could cause one hell of an epidemic...maybe even a pandemic.

I don't think anyone wants something like the 1918-1919 flu pandemic to get started. It killed over 21.6 million people world-wide and almost 700,000 here in the US alone with 20 million infected.

One very depressiung fact that the flu pandemic killed more US soldiers on WWI battlefields than did bullets & bombs: 57,000 vs. 53,500.

Dr. Mordrid

GT98
25th March 2003, 16:00
Wasn't another reason that the Flu of 1919 was spread so rapidly was because of the troops deployed to Europe in WW1?

RhinoZ
25th March 2003, 17:07
What do you think Doc, will we see this "Super Bug" or "Super Flu" in the next decade or so, that some Doctors are predicting?

Tjalfe
26th March 2003, 14:51
not good.. too close to home :(

Toronto Star (http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?GXHC_gx_session_id_=9944611cb8f26313&pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1035779953051&call_pageid=968332188492&col=968793972154)

Thousands ordered quarantined in GTA
Everyone who visited infected east-end hospital at risk, official says


CASSANDRA SZKLARSKI
CANADIAN PRESS

Canadians in the thousands have been asked to "quarantine themselves," wearing masks and in some cases staying home over fears a deadly SARS outbreak contained to the Toronto-area would spread even further.
Toronto's Medical Officer of Health said everyone who visited the east-end Scarborough Grace Hospital since March 16 should remain in their homes for 10 days since that visit.

Their family members may go to work or school, but must wear a mask when at home and in contact with those who are at risk of infection.

"We realize this is a substantial amount of people, we're talking about over a thousand we expect, this number will be in the thousands," said Dr. Sheela Basrur.

"This is an incident of unprecedented scope and magnitude."

The comments came as protective facemasks flew off supply store shelves Wednesday as anxious Torontonians sought to shield themselves against a deadly SARS outbreak that prompted Ontario to declare a "health emergency."

Police wearing surgical facemasks descended on the hospital where two people died of the pneumonia-like disease, stretching yellow police tape around the perimeter and blocking the entrances with their cruisers, Citytv reported Wednesday.

Ontario's Public Security Commissioner said police were providing protection for a helicopter about to land at Scarborough Grace Hospital carrying an infectious disease expert. The hospital has no landing pad, forcing the helicopter to land on the grounds of the hospital.

"The police presence is simply to allow that to happen and ensure public safety by cordoning off the area," said Dr. James Young.

News of the extended quarantine came hours after Health Minister Tony Clement announced he had declared a "health emergency" in Ontario. By using the province's emergency powers legislation, Clement was able to activate an action group to try to stop the spread of SARS, or severe acute respiratory syndrome.

Dozens of households have already been quarantined and Scarborough's emergency room was closed earlier this week. A second Toronto hospital, Mount Sinai, stopped accepting new emergency patients on Wednesday. A Toronto elementary school has been closed since Monday.

"We're taking this very seriously," Clement said.

"By characterizing it as a health emergency, we are giving ourselves the powers that we need and the information that we need at the most appropriate time to ensure that we can contain this disease as soon as possible."

A command centre will be set up and staffed 24 hours a day to co-ordinate all information from hospitals and health workers

RhinoZ
27th March 2003, 06:16
Hey it's hitting here in OTTAWA now.
A 59 yr old man is in Hospital with the same symtoms and they have quarantined his area in the hospital. Also people are keeping their kids home from school as they heard about a little girl (from grade 2) who got back from vacation in Vietnam.
WOW

ZokesPro
27th March 2003, 07:15
And here I am smack dab in the middle of Toronto and Ottawa, I guess I can only wait now.

RhinoZ
27th March 2003, 11:45
Hey Zokes, you work or live in Kingston?

ZokesPro
27th March 2003, 11:48
Neither, I'm in BelleVegas. (Belleville, which is about 170km from T.O. and about 180km from Ottawa)

Tjalfe
27th March 2003, 12:12
Belleville sounds relatively safe for now...At least your roommate does not go to Scarborough all the time to visit his parents like mine :o|.. Scary!

ZokesPro
27th March 2003, 12:13
Scarborough is pretty big, low chance of him getting infected, me thinks. But still...

Chrono_Wanderer
27th March 2003, 15:05
MAN! I am living in Thornhill, Greater Toronto. It's a good thing that the government is putting a lot of resources on stoping the virus from spreading.

Most of my close relatives live in Hong Kong. One of my relative there lives very close to a building that was found to have 7 families inflated with the disease. Everybody in Hong Kong are wearing masks etc. To make the matter worse, the chairman of "hong kong hospital management" also got the disease. Now i think there are ~40 people killed in Hong Kong becaue of this disease. It's a disaster: the "effective" masks are in very short supply, and I heard they cost like 20 dollars canadian each right now. So my family is shipping the masks to the relatives in HK :(

IMO Chinese government has very high responsibility for this spreading. It could be handled better. I thought the first SARS case appeared in China like ~5 months ago. A while back before the disease spreding worldwide I was watching Chinese news regarding this issue. The Chinese government was saying that the virus is under control, and nobody has to be worried. They also said the world heath organization do not needed to get involve. Worse thing is they don't even give up information about SARS so reseraches can develop cures for it. I bet they are really scared that the Chinese economy will hit rock bottom once this news get international. Apparenly the government says ~800 died (or 600 i can't remeber). I personally doubt that. A while back I heard Canton (province in China) by itself have like 300 died because of SARS.

As I chinese, I am very angry at how they managed this issue... :(

jackzod
28th March 2003, 20:04
well now 1485 cases worldwide (in 15 country) dated march 28th and 53 death recorded as of now. (excluding those on the verge in ICU)
And for those who knows well the pattern of virus spreading this is just the tip of the iceberg. I fear it will be worldwide within a month.

We were due for a major shift in the influenza virus which usually bring worldwide epidemy (like spanish flue at the beginning of the century)
There have been worldwide influenza epidemy every 40 to 60 years as long as we can record it, so we are past due ( the last was in the 30).
The thing is that we were expecting an influenza again (and tought we were ready for it) but it seems that it might be a totally new coronavirus, which is one of the virus causing common cold. Gotta love how nature like to laugh at us....

Admiral
29th March 2003, 02:03
Originally posted by Chrono_Wanderer
IMO Chinese government has very high responsibility for this spreading. It could be handled better. I thought the first SARS case appeared in China like ~5 months ago. A while back before the disease spreding worldwide I was watching Chinese news regarding this issue. The Chinese government was saying that the virus is under control, and nobody has to be worried. They also said the world heath organization do not needed to get involve. Worse thing is they don't even give up information about SARS so reseraches can develop cures for it. I bet they are really scared that the Chinese economy will hit rock bottom once this news get international. Apparenly the government says ~800 died (or 600 i can't remeber). I personally doubt that. A while back I heard Canton (province in China) by itself have like 300 died because of SARS.

Couldn't agree more.
And it's about time for the WHO to impose a travel ban, something they should've done months ago.

The PIT
29th March 2003, 07:16
Jeez nothing like panic is there. 1358 cases world wide a very small percentage of the world population.

agallag
29th March 2003, 08:34
Considering the following quote from the WHO website about influenza (http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/2003/fs211/en/), this SARS outbreak is pretty mild so far.


Although difficult to assess, these annual epidemics are thought to result in between three and five million cases of severe illness and between 250 000 and 500 000 deaths every year around the world.

However, at the rate SARS is spreading, it has potential to get very serious...

agallag
29th March 2003, 08:44
Considering where I live, I really don't like the look of this:

http://www.who.int/csr/sarsareas/2003_03_29/en/

Chrono_Wanderer
29th March 2003, 20:42
&@$$@$@!!! (sorry for the language :p) now the Central York Hosptal in Toronto is closed because 1 person in there was discovered to have SARS! Worse thing is my mom went there few days ago...

Chrono_Wanderer
29th March 2003, 20:43
Originally posted by agallag
Considering where I live, I really don't like the look of this:

http://www.who.int/csr/sarsareas/2003_03_29/en/

There's one thing that I don't really get. Why isn't Vancouver on the list? Besides, there should be more Asian connection at Vancouver than in Toronto.

Weird huh?

Wulfman
30th March 2003, 14:14
just a theory: one of the side-effects of the illness is the need for artificial respiration. no problem as long as there are few cases, but if it gets serious.... :(

mfg
wulfman

Elie
31st March 2003, 14:37
Shite!!!!!!!!!
My wife will be giving birth in that hospital!!!! :mad:
If I have to go to Vancouver or Calgary for her to give birth I will!!!

I live now in Richmond Hill Ontario!



Originally posted by Chrono_Wanderer
&@$$@$@!!! (sorry for the language :p) now the Central York Hosptal in Toronto is closed because 1 person in there was discovered to have SARS! Worse thing is my mom went there few days ago...