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Guru
14th November 2002, 11:33
http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/cpu/article.php/1500631

http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1746


http://firingsquad.gamers.com/hardware/p43000/default.asp

Guru
14th November 2002, 11:35
http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=Mzg4

http://www.tweaktown.com/document.php?dType=review&dId=401

thop
14th November 2002, 11:41
i finally figure out why it acts like two processors! don't believe the HT hype. it's because it is priced like 2! :p

ayoub_ibrahim
14th November 2002, 13:01
does anyone know if you have to do a clean install of xp if you've got that 3GHz cpu & a HT capable m/board or can you just move an old install of xp to the new board & HT will automatically be implemented?

Novdid
14th November 2002, 13:32
Looking thru those charts, I can't help but notice that the AthlonXP/nforce2 combo performs extremely well, with only 256kb cache. The P4's are just to expensive, and I don't mean just the CPU.

It seems that when Barton hits it's time for an upgrade, I need a better CPU/MB combo to pair with this Radeon.

rugger
14th November 2002, 18:08
I definitely want one of those nForce II boards.

I will populate it with 2x512meg 2cas DDR I think :)

WyWyWyWy
14th November 2002, 22:47
WOooooOO 700 dollars! F me!!!

Novdid
14th November 2002, 23:19
I had the same thought flying around in my head when I saw the price!!!:)

thop
15th November 2002, 05:24
told you so :)

Jammrock
15th November 2002, 06:19
There are only 3 ways an Intel chip will make it back into my system:

1) I become rich.

2) AMD leaves the processor market.

3) I win one.

Sure you can get a l33t fast Intel chip, but for the same price as the Intel chip, mobo and RAM, you can buy almost a complete AMD system. And although the Intel will pump out 5000 fps in Quake 3, I think I can live with my 3k fps on my AMD system ;)

Jammrock

Guru
15th November 2002, 06:32
http://www.vr-zone.com/reviews/Intel/P43060/

ALBPM
15th November 2002, 07:07
Better stock up on those AMD processors now.......


SAN JOSE, Calif. (CBS.MW) -- Advanced Micro Devices followed through with its promise to cut jobs by announcing on Thursday that it will eliminate 2,000 positions, or 15 percent of its workforce.

Paul

isochar
15th November 2002, 07:43
Originally posted by Jammrock
There are only 3 ways an Intel chip will make it back into my system:

1) I become rich.

2) AMD leaves the processor market.

3) I win one.

Sure you can get a l33t fast Intel chip, but for the same price as the Intel chip, mobo and RAM, you can buy almost a complete AMD system. And although the Intel will pump out 5000 fps in Quake 3, I think I can live with my 3k fps on my AMD system ;)

Jammrock

Memory price will be the same since they both use DDR, motherboard (with similar feature sets) are priced within 5% of one another, and there is almost no price difference in the mid to high-end. (The only difference being the flagship models)

Admiral
15th November 2002, 07:56
Originally posted by ALBPM
Better stock up on those AMD processors now.......

What about the plans to get AMD processors in MACs ?
Plus, AMD CPUs will always be cheaper.
And let's not forget the Paladium DRM thing, how many people will buy it ? it might just be the thing that allows AMD to catch up ?

GNEP
15th November 2002, 08:00
AMD has been "up there" in home PCs in Europe for some time afaik.

Where they are NOT is in yer average office PC - the things just run too hot and require mucho fans. P4's can be kept nice and cool without any appreciable noise. Athlons can't, at least cheaply.

I can't imagine what an office filled with PCs with 7k rpm fans would be like! :)

Wombat
15th November 2002, 08:10
What about the plans to get AMD processors in MACs ?
Plus, AMD CPUs will always be cheaper. There aren't any plans, just rumors.

GNEP, if you haven't noticed, faster P4s throw out more heat than the latest Athlons.

GNEP
15th November 2002, 08:24
I hadn't actually noticed that Wombat, but most desktop office PCs even when new are not going to be using the fastest CPUs. And noise is (IMHO) always going to be a bigger con than the extra speed is a pro in this environment.

Gnep

Oboy
15th November 2002, 10:12
quote:
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SAN JOSE, Calif. (CBS.MW) -- Advanced Micro Devices followed through with its promise to cut jobs by announcing on Thursday that it will eliminate 2,000 positions, or 15 percent of its workforce.
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The last thing we need is for AMD to go belly-up! Its bad for everyone. Also AMD and SMC are building a 300mm fab, which should be up sometime in Q1 or Q2 2004.

Oboy

P.S. Did I call it on the OC of the 3Ghz :):cool:

candyman
16th November 2002, 08:25
I got an impression that not only 3GHz+ will support HT, but even the other 533-bus CPUs like 2.4, 2.53, 2.66, 2.8GHz... Or am I completely wrong? I mean, none of those CPUs which are already produced support HT, but will Intel enable this feature in the future units?

/ candyman

edit: typo

isochar
16th November 2002, 10:54
I remember reading that only 3.06 and up will have hyperthreading. However, the older models possibly can have HT enabled through a hacked bios. (If the HT isn't physically disabled on the processor)

DGhost
16th November 2002, 11:11
considering intel's experiences with SMP on the celerons, i would wager on it being physically disabled on the chips...

that being said, i could see them introducing a lower speed version of it within 3 months... just to fill out their product line...

KvHagedorn
16th November 2002, 11:24
AMD sucks.. I think we should just nuke their fab and get this monopoly thing REALLY rolling.. then we can all have $2000 processors running at 1 GHz.. then the Intel brass can all make a billion dollars a year and pay their stooges in the fabs minimum wage, because where else will they find a job? won't that be keen? :D

isochar
16th November 2002, 11:49
As long as I have ten thousand shares of Intel, no problem. :D

Oboy
16th November 2002, 13:53
Originally posted by KvHagedorn
AMD sucks.. I think we should just nuke their fab and get this monopoly thing REALLY rolling.. then we can all have $2000 processors running at 1 GHz.. then the Intel brass can all make a billion dollars a year and pay their stooges in the fabs minimum wage, because where else will they find a job? won't that be keen? :D

NO NO NO!!!!!!!!!! Paul and Oboy needs a raise!

Philips is closing down there Fab in Alb. So the only other Fab, not intel is the one at Sandia Nat Labs. Paul and I have be there done that, donít wont to go back!

Oboy

DGhost
18th November 2002, 14:41
taken from the inquirer (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=6285)



Intel will also introduce hyperthreaded 2.40GHz, 2.60GHz P4s, and 2.80GHz Pentium 4s in Q2 of next year, as well as the 3.06GHz CPU it introduced last year and a 3GHz and a 3.20GHz hyperthreaded Pentium 4. Ķ

Technoid
18th November 2002, 14:58
Seriously....
It could be that many of the 2000 workers is those that is really close to 65+ age....

Wombat
18th November 2002, 15:18
Keep dreaming Technoid. AMD was a rapidly growing company in a new field. I doubt that many of them were over 50, if the demographics of HP and Intel offered any example (then again, Intel has its own reasons for young employees - most people only stay there 5 years).

Technoid
18th November 2002, 15:43
Sure, every night :D

BTW:
AMD is 33 years old....
So even if "old" employes is unlikely in those proportions its not imposible....

and mayby I should have had a couple of smilies in the post :D to avoid you going "Gurm" ;)

DentyCracker
19th November 2002, 18:43
"Going Gurm" ROFL. Maybe it isn't really that funny and I am pissed (British pissed) after consuming too much alcohol. But I don't care, I'm happy, I think. I will not buy an Intel processor until they are reasonably priced once more. buy AMD now because I get more bang for the buck *hic*. Rum good, lemonade bad. *hic*

DentyCracker
19th November 2002, 18:44
Good thing I'm not seeing patients tomorrow
:D