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Liquid_Memory
14th November 2002, 08:23
West Nile Virus was just found in 2 aligators in florida.

This virus was first only known to birds, then it found its way into horses, humans, and now alligators. I heard about the alligators on 11/13 on our local news channel, but can't find any information on any web sites.

http://doacs.state.fl.us/~aes/westnile2001/WestNile.htm

Seems to have the best information, over 1500 cases of west nile in animals and humans have been recorded and that is just florida. The USGS has a good website also.

http://www.usgs.gov/west_nile_virus.html

Liquid Memory

ZokesPro
14th November 2002, 08:27
The west nile virus should die out during the winter, at least that's what I've heard about it.

Liquid_Memory
14th November 2002, 08:29
Hopefully florida will get below freezing for a couple of days otherwise its gonna get alot worse.

ZokesPro
14th November 2002, 08:31
Forgot about that. We've had 2 cases here in Ontario but we also have 6 months worth of winter.

Liquid_Memory
14th November 2002, 08:44
Well it would have to be at freezing temperatures across North America before we can get rid of this. Florida is the most concentrated though and needs a good cold spell for a week.

This is a link to the government maps for west nile virus.

http://www.nationalatlas.gov/virusmap.html

Greebe
14th November 2002, 09:01
I don't think the desease is as prevalent as most would think (you?). I live right off of a lake in Bradenton (30'(9.5m) from my patio door), just south of Tampa Bay and dispite the fact I get bitten ~600 times a year I've either got it and have a strong immunity or have not come in contact with it at all.

There have been no relevent cases of WNV in this region either I might add

Dr Mordrid
14th November 2002, 11:50
WNV was a major pain here in Michigan this year. Dead birds all over the place and quite a few deaths among humans.

Odd that the first recorded appearance of WNV the US were within a block or two of the UN building.

After the first outbreak of the virus in New York the US Surgeon General at that time, David Satcher, admitted that this particular strain of West Nile was "unusual" and that it had appeared at the same time in only two other places; Israel and Saudi Arabia.

Makes one wonder if it entered the country in a diplomatic pouch, doesn't it? :rolleyes:

Dr. Mordrid

GT98
14th November 2002, 12:15
I've been living in one of the areas first affected by WNV and so far I haven't heard of anyone I know personally that contracted it. What makes this even more interesting is that the desiase went clear across the country in less then 3 years if I remember right....something doesn't add up right here...

Dr Mordrid
14th November 2002, 12:46
No, it doesn't.

In ~1899 boubonic plague came in through a port in California and since then it hasn't come much further east than Oaklahoma/north Texas in the south and the Dakotas in the north.

Granted WMV is spread by an airborn species, infected birds, and not by infected rats as is the plague, but its progression and infection rate seems more than a bit "accelerated".

A high percentage of people in the affected regions have antibodies to WNV, it's just that they don't get real sick from it.

It's mostly children, the elderly and those with conditions that comprimise their immune systems that end up getting seriously ill or dying from it.

Dr. Mordrid

ZokesPro
14th November 2002, 13:17
Maybe it's the migratory path of a specific bird that is carrying the virus?

Dr Mordrid
14th November 2002, 13:32
What bird hits almost 100% of the nation in less than 3 years?

Granted it could leapfrog species as mosquitos go from one bird to another, but that timeline is awfully short for a natural progression.

Dr. Mordrid

RedRed
14th November 2002, 15:38
Sorry to bust the consipiracy-

The killer flus of the early 20th C crossed the whole of Europe in less than 6 months - they kiled Millions here and many more in Asia and the americas.

Of course a virus can spread quickly - central Canada is rife with WNV - winnipeg (SP) has it quite bad this year (my work causes me to liase quite closely with the hospital authourity both there and Vancouver)

RedRed

Dr Mordrid
14th November 2002, 16:04
Sorry to bust the consipiracy-

The killer flus of the early 20th C crossed the whole of Europe in less than 6 months - they kiled Millions here and many more in Asia and the americas.

Of course a virus can spread quickly - central Canada is rife with WNV - winnipeg (SP) has it quite bad this year (my work causes me to liase quite closely with the hospital authourity both there and Vancouver)

RedRedEpidemiologically speaking; that's just a bit simplistic.

The flu is a virus that spreads human to human by direct inhalation of the expelled virus, which can be a very fast process indeed.

WNV spreads by way of multiple vectors: fleas and rats, which normally is a much slower process and is why plague has only spread half way across the country in over 100 years.

To be sure the combination of fleas and birds would spread faster, but it seems to me that <3 years to spread from Manhattan to the west to Alaska a bit much.

Dr. Mordrid

Liquid_Memory
15th November 2002, 05:11
Migrating a disease is easy, especially in birds. Almost every bird migrates north and when it gets there, gets bitten by a mosquito and if it is infected then any other bird that the mosquito bites will be infected. Not all birds contract the virus, most of them are just carriers of it, like humans, and although we cannot give the virus to someone else, although they haven't done any blood to blood testing, such as a cut or something, I think that if it is already crossing species, its most likely to be our next new virus to deal with. As if we don't have enough problems already.

Well I think its time that everyone go out and get a 2000 watt bug zapper and watch the mosquitos pile up on the floor.

Seriously though, how does a virus that has been only known in birds transmute itself into an alligator. I can understand humans, because birds have relatively the same immune system we do. Same as horses, but alligators have been here since the beginning of time. They have been exposed to every known virus we could ever imagine. They are supposed to have the strongest immune systems around besides sharks. I don't know, maybe I'm off the path a little, but you sometimes find interesting things thrown on the side of the road.

Liquid Memory

Greebe
15th November 2002, 05:35
it's an alien conspiracy! :alien: :eek: :rolleyes:

Dr Mordrid
15th November 2002, 08:58
That or a modified form of WNV. Remember that the surgeon general at the time said this strain of WNV was "unusual". I'd love to hear an elaboartion on that discription.

Dr. Mordrid

Liquid_Memory
15th November 2002, 18:29
Here's an interesting link at the CDC, it shows the progress of the virus over the last 3 years. Its actually kinda scary, because its only missing 5 states, by next year, this is going to be a big threat. Expect the price of chicken to go sky high.

Liquid Memory

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvbid/westnile/surv&control.htm#map1

Hpar_
16th November 2002, 18:16
it should be obvious the whole "WNV" thing is a psyop run by the cia paid for with your tax dollars in their "black ops budget" money pit. WNV was first shipped to rockerfeller sponsored laboratories from the western region of uganda in the late 30's (1937 to be exact) in new haven CT (skull and cross boner land of emperor bushy aka mini-me). WNV was not even called "west nile virus" it was called "Eastern Equine Encephilitis" or the EEE virus. in the 80's WNV and its derivatives where shipped to "the enemy" saddam hussein to aid his bioweapons program which he used on his own people. the cia also uses these sorts of pathogens on its own people to create fear because it is part of their tavistock institute of human relations brainwash protocol when they need to make a precieved enemy seem real to the sheeple. again the finger points back at the cia and all the "intelligence community" who are involved and they are guilty of bioterrorism for profit. anthrax (the rare ames strand out of fort detrick's labs-the top bioweapons developer for the military/industrial complex), WNV, and now what? __________________..... small pox via the Rx nazi poison shots??? I think so. btw, it turns out not only did key cia people have short positions in the major airlines before 9||, but bush family associates and bin laden family associates had a core holding in bioport phamaceutical, the only maker of the anthrax vaccine. hmmmmm, HMMMMMM! the devil is in the details. industrial/bioterrorism and Industrial espionage is being conducted by our own government. they are the terrorists, they are the "masters of terror" in fact and do NOT think for one second they are not capable of this. how else are they going to ram their NWO/police state through the congress (mostly involved in the greatest scandal in history unfolding right before your eyes) in this level of historic tyranny??
oh yeah! dont give the congress the real "office of homeland tyranny" give them a summary and then send them the rare ames strand of anthrax then tell them "vote for it or else!" heh!!!
that is exactly what happened.

quoted from Zibigfag Brzezinski's book, "The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and Its Geostrategic Imperatives"

think about this in the post 9|| world:

- "Moreover, as America becomes an increasingly multi-cultural society, it may find it more difficult to fashion a consensus on foreign policy issues, except in the circumstance of a truly massive and widely perceived direct external threat." (p. 211)

- "The attitude of the American public toward the external projection of American power has been much more ambivalent. The public supported America's engagement in World War II largely because of the shock effect of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. (pp 24-5)

"...massive and widely perceived direct external threat." ??? REALLY!

heh...



also, they are using the WNV excuse they made in the first place to Rx nazi poison gas you with dangerous neurotoxins like malathion and its alternative, anvil10:10 or what they call "mosquito control. YUMMMMMY!!!!

"Pesticide Spraying Poses Death Risk to Humans: Public Health Author Exposes Bogus West Nile Virus Policy

Sandpoint, ID Spraying pesticides to combat mosquitos suspected of carrying the West Nile Virus (WNV) has not been scientifically proven to be either safe for humans or effective against the disease, according to award winning public health author and emerging diseases expert Dr. Leonard G. Horowitz. Spraying with malathion, a suspected human chemical carcinogen and known immune system blocker, or its alternate, Anvil 10:10, violates a basic tenant of public health practice that requires prior knowledge of the risks and proven benefits of the policy before it is implemented. In light of substantial evidence linking exposure to airborne chemical compounds with cancer and genetic damage in various species throughout the food chain, political and public health officials are urged to cease and desist this lethal and imprudent practice immediately, or possibly face class action litigations if not antigovernment reprisals."

Wombat
16th November 2002, 18:58
"Zibigfag"? What a poor bastard.

Liquid_Memory
29th December 2002, 22:19
YO HPAR_, or Klingon for Overbearing, Chill Man, you need a spin on things, not so dramatic and forthright, makes people think your preaching all the time. But I will say one thing, Your right on the mark, nazi illuminati sadistic satist satanic santa claus worshipping little bastards better get things straight or I WILL HAVE TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT and get the ball in the correct court, they have been left field long enough we need to come together and reunite the word Freedom, we seem to have split the whole meaning, as in free dumb!!!!

Peace be to the world, OPEN YOUR EYES!

James_D
30th December 2002, 02:13
Hehehe has anyone here studied immunology???

:D :D :D :D :D :D

James

Liquid_Memory
30th December 2002, 09:24
Immunology

The branch of biomedicine concerned with the structure and function of the immune system, innate and acquired immunity, the bodily distinction of self from nonself, and laboratory techniques involving the interaction of antigens with specific antibodies.

James_D
31st December 2002, 02:35
Originally posted by Liquid_Memory
Immunology
8
The branch of biomedicine concerned with the structure and function of the immune system, innate and acquired immunity, the bodily distinction of self from nonself, and laboratory techniques involving the interaction of antigens with specific antibodies.


And it also involves the diff, bacteria,viruses, fungi, parasites that are known, in close relation to Pathology and Pathophysiology...

James D. Waxman.


and for those who didn't get that my post above was sarcasm.. it was ....
:D :cool:

Liquid_Memory
31st December 2002, 03:51
That was sarcasm?

James_D, I don't know where you get your information, but you better stop looking in those fortune cookies and start opening an encyclopedia. It might help you to enrich your education past the 2nd grade.

Now that's sarcasm.

James_D
31st December 2002, 05:24
Originally posted by Liquid_Memory
That was sarcasm?

James_D, I don't know where you get your information, but you better stop looking in those fortune cookies and start opening an encyclopedia. It might help you to enrich your education past the 2nd grade.

Now that's sarcasm.


Wow... so my immunology book must be wrong then... :)
I suggest that you read Immunology and Evolution of Infectious Disease by Steven A. Frank. It's a very nice book, and if you don't have the brain for this then I suggest Immunology: A Short Course by Eli Benjamini it"s a bit shorter and not so difficult to understand for Crackers like yourself...


James D. Waxman.

Liquid_Memory
31st December 2002, 05:53
Whatever dude, I'm sorry that I have a life and can't read every
book thats out there. Besides I got the definition from
www.dictionary.com and it didn't have any reference to the said material. Besides the guy is an evolutionist and believes we came from water dripping on a rock, so how much of what he writes can you really believe?

And now that I have looked at his website.

http://www.stevefrank.org

I find that all of his work is Theoretical, none of his work
has been proven at all.

It like darwin's theory, people who believe in that are fouls
and need the truth to break through the dark cloud of lies
that our government has been teaching us, its bad enough
that our parents tell us that there is a Satan Claus.

Jammrock
31st December 2002, 06:19
HAHAHAHA... Hpar_ and Liquid_Memory are both back in action. Always a fun site. Remember guys, the "Enter" key is your friend.

Jammrock

Liquid_Memory
31st December 2002, 06:40
Eye for an Eye, Tooth for a Tooth,
You come against me, I come against you.
You piss me off, I piss off you.
Its only fair, and that's the truth.
So treat me like, I would treat you,
and you won't come out looking like a fool.

Jammrock
31st December 2002, 09:59
He who marches joyfully in rank and file has already earned my contempt. A large brain has been wasted on this individual, since for him, a spinal cord would suffice.

- Albert Einstein

An eye for an eye will blind the world."

- Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use."

- Galileo Galilei