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Technoid
29th October 2002, 15:29
My water-cooling kit was rather cheap and I have replaced inferior stuff to the same value as I bought the kit for….

I have replaced the waterblock (Really bad design :eek: ) and the radiator (quite good but to small).

And now I either have to replace or repair the water tank wich is leaking :rolleyes:

Replacing it and getting a better pump (the original pump is to damn weak, since I replaced the radiator) if I buy stuff that fits together and will be easy to use will cost me 90$

Repairing the water tank will take me about 2-3 weeks due to letting the silicone harden thoroughly and because its craking up I’m not sure It is possible to fix it :rolleyes:

And in the meantime I will either have to operate the pump in a bucket or go aircooling….

Thinking on it I could get a big jar and drill holes and fit the hoses through the lid….

That would be quick cheap and rather easy and much less than 90$ probably less than 45$ including a new submersible pump….

Ahhh
Decisions decisions ….:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

mutz
29th October 2002, 21:46
...dunno 'bout that one, but do know to beware of bargains in parachutes, bungy cords, brake pads, condoms and watercooling...:p

luni
30th October 2002, 01:12
Lol why did you buy the kit at all if you have to replace every part of it. Looks to me you threw away some srious dough while trying to be cheap. I would seriously recommend trying out new Koolance EXOS system. It is affordable, you dont need to modify your case to mount it and perforamance is really good.

http://koolance.com/products/ext-a01/

Technoid
30th October 2002, 02:39
Luni,
That watercooling kit was only "Cheap" compared to "Real" Vatercooling kit!!
(and our "normal" cooling suplyer do not sell complete "kits")

I was not trying to be cheap!!

And as it was the first complete kit that was available from the same suplyer that we buys cases from I bought one to evaluate if they were sellable!!!

I were almost counting on the risk of having to replace all parts to better

Read this thread!
Watercooling (http://forums.murc.ws/showthread.php?s=&threadid=36016)

And this:

Major Surgery (http://forums.murc.ws/showthread.php?s=&threadid=36327)

And I said "Shitty cheap stuff!" because I was disapointed that the watertank also have broke because it seemed the least "bad" quality item in the kit!!!

luni
30th October 2002, 12:50
Think I mixed you with someone else here. There was a guy that wanted watercooling but didnt want to spend much money and got some shitty setup.

Anyway, I still recommend EXOS :)

Technoid
30th October 2002, 13:09
I could have gotten me a Koolance system from start but this have been much more fun :D

The exos system wont be awailable untill a couple of months but then I might check i out ;)

ZokesPro
30th October 2002, 13:23
Are the Koolane towers any good?http://koolance.com/images/mcs-a01_p1.jpg

3dfx
30th October 2002, 13:26
ZokesPro I know you have probably been asked in the past but whERE? did you get your avatar :D

ZokesPro
30th October 2002, 13:28
Originally posted by 3dfx
ZokesPro I know you have probably been asked in the past but whERE? did you get your avatar :D

I stole it from a forum that is now closed down. :)

Technoid
30th October 2002, 13:35
Well, that tower is just to cramped....

There are never models that are "modded" cheiftec towers and they are better, more space :D

Technoid
30th October 2002, 13:40
Urk!!
My water tank is leaking as erlier stated and I sudenly smelled something that reminded me of burning capacitors :eek:

But I quickly(well I only had to follow my nose) found out that its the Water wetter that smells like that :rolleyes:
A quick sniff from the bottle of WWproved that it is smelling terible!!

The water with waterwetter in leaks and then evaporates in the air stinking like hell!:dead:

And this time its worse than the last time :down:

luni
31st October 2002, 04:28
Yuck :)

Yeah Zokes, there are Koolance systems in chieftec cases, those are much spacier, and look better too :). Check it out.

http://koolance.com/products/ccs-a01/

Dilitante1
31st October 2002, 08:16
or take a peek here:
http://www.petswarehouse.com/search_result.asp?MANUFACTURER=ALL&CATEGORY=Aqua+Tank+hex+AGA

being HEX it might help it go faster :D

Greebe
31st October 2002, 08:26
Pass on the Koolance there is far better stuff made

Technoid
31st October 2002, 08:32
I'm using a koolance waterblock....

it was the only thing awailable with clips at a decent price...

luni
31st October 2002, 08:33
If there are any better all-in-one barebone solutions, I would like to learn about them. Not counting vaporphase cooling like Kryotech, Vapochill and Prometeia, of course.

ZokesPro
31st October 2002, 09:20
Originally posted by Greebe
Pass on the Koolance there is far better stuff made

Like what? I'm interested in water cooled systesm but I don't have the time or resources to build one from scratch.

Technoid
31st October 2002, 09:45
I think I will get my new pump and reservoir tomorrow.....

And this time it a pump that is not a submersible one....

Which makes all a lot easier. :devious:

The pump is an Eheim 1048 2,6Gallon/m :D (which is slightly better than 1,8G/m)

I checked around and the only thing that was available was a 60$ pump so I gave up and ordered :rolleyes:

Greebe
31st October 2002, 11:13
That pump is overkill

This one (http://www.aquaticeco.com/aquatic1v1/itempg.icl?itmid=4176&passitemid=4176&orderidentifier=ID1036092050289312449&iteminfo4=0&eflag=0) is plenty (not to mention alot cheaper)

Technoid
31st October 2002, 11:57
Mayby so, but with the one I'm using now the pressure of the water when it hits the waterblock is low :(

And I have seen lots of "Custom vattercooling systems " that uses two of these pumps :eek:

Technoid
31st October 2002, 12:07
Greebe,
The Pump you linked to is rated higher than the one I'm going to use :confused:



Single Unit Price: $17.65
Qty+6 $16.38
Part No.: PU16 - Maxi Jet Powerhead Pump, 160 GPH
Weight: 2 lbs.


The one Im using now is 118GPH

And the one I'm getting is 158GPH.

And it is much easier to atach hoses to it



http://www.gtek.net/img_prod/1046.gif

ZokesPro
31st October 2002, 15:05
Originally posted by luni
Yuck :)

Yeah Zokes, there are Koolance systems in chieftec cases, those are much spacier, and look better too :). Check it out.

http://koolance.com/products/ccs-a01/

Hey sweet they have a few online canadian stores, usually there's one if not any at all! This is good! :)

Wow, 355$ that's expensive! :(

Technoid
1st November 2002, 00:40
hm.....
Now the pump sound so bad that I cant have it on when I sleep......

It's good I'm going to replace it anyway :D

luni
1st November 2002, 00:48
Originally posted by ZokesPro


Hey sweet they have a few online canadian stores, usually there's one if not any at all! This is good! :)

Wow, 355$ that's expensive! :(

Yes, it is, but you get the case (which is not cheap), a good PSU, window-mod AND the most convenient and easy to use watercooling setup (imho of course). Its not a bad deal really.

Wombat
1st November 2002, 02:05
Actually, that case IS pretty cheap. I just got it today for US$62 shipped.

ZokesPro
1st November 2002, 07:33
Originally posted by luni


Yes, it is, but you get the case (which is not cheap), a good PSU, window-mod AND the most convenient and easy to use watercooling setup (imho of course). Its not a bad deal really.

Even so, I still could not afford it anytime soon.

Edit: It's a REALLY sweet case though, it'l probably be the next case on my list if I ever decide to change my case.

luni
1st November 2002, 07:41
Originally posted by Wombat
Actually, that case IS pretty cheap. I just got it today for US$62 shipped.

It costs around $100 where I come from :rolleyes:

Admiral
1st November 2002, 08:26
Originally posted by luni


It costs around $100 where I come from :rolleyes:

I'll second that.

Greebe
1st November 2002, 08:58
Well you know there is a difference between US cut rate prices and full retail

I can run down the street and get that case locally, but it'll run me ~$100 +6.5% tax

Plus you're not seeing Wombat's total price... there's no tax on this but he also didn't add in the shipping cost.

Wombat
1st November 2002, 09:08
Yes he did. I said $62 shipped :) It was $44 base.

Greebe
1st November 2002, 09:19
ok :) It's just that many times these things aren't taken into consideration... like Transporting it from Taiwan to here is a boat ride away directly to our ports on the west coast where most of the computer parts come in from

Novdid
1st November 2002, 11:27
The same chieftec case + a good PS cost at least $140. I know I have one.;)

But that's not an issue as everybody knows that people in swden have a bucketload of $€£!!!:rolleyes:

I have expressed my feelings over the prices here many times before...:mad:

Technoid
2nd November 2002, 06:03
Atached the new pump and got it working with the usual "@£$€#¤%&" :D
temps are slightly better...

UtwigMU
2nd November 2002, 12:27
Just for fun I put together Arstechnica Hot-Rod (http://arstechnica.com/guide/system/hotrod.html) and Budget Box (http://arstechnica.com/guide/system/budget.html) from local stores. With God Box (http://arstechnica.com/guide/system/godbox.html) I was unable to get exact parts (Case, fans, fans controll, PSU, Mylex RAID controller, Tape drive and Monitors)

The Hot-Rod cost 133% of listed Ars prices, while the Budget Box cost 150% =~1000$ of listed Ars prices.

Also Koolance products, Chieftec and Antec cases, Enermax and Antec PSUs, round cables, flashing fans and window mods are considered just for enthusiasts (not that many here as in US) who are considered willing to splurge.

Take a look at some local pricelists. The . is digit divider, the , is decimal divider, 12.500 and 12.500,00 meaning 12000 slovenian tolars. The exchange rate is 1000 SIT = $4.29 US = €4.36EU or 233SIT = $1US or 229SIT = €1EU.

http://www.mlacom.si/cenik/cenik.htm the prices on right are with 20% VAT.
http://www.redrat-store.com

P4 2.0 = $248US
Xeon 2.0 = $322US
AthlonXP 2000+ = $149US
AthlonMP 2000+ = $246US

Parhelia 128 Bulk = $465US
G550 dual DVI = $144US

Nice bigtower Antec and Chieftec cases without PSU that I'm considering for my next upgrade are ~$100, nice ~400W range Enermax and Antec PSUs are ~$100 as well. I have certain connections so maybe I can get 10-15% lower dealer prices but still...

We have a nice selection compared to some other people though, so I can't complain.


Greebe, if you were working here in electronic repair shop you'd be getting $625/month with hi-school or $1250 max with college, 20$/hour if repairing at customers needing to pay all expenses out of that and I'd be hard to tell your wife: Honey, we'll be eating at your and my parents this month since I blew $429 for Watercooling setup.

It's not the shipping, it's the size of market:
US = 290M people
Slovenia = 2M people (similar else in Europe, EU will likely change this)