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    Give me a break Ghost and all you fan boys of matrox.

    You all got screwed with the Parhelia and know it!

    Upgrading to latest ms bloatware may be just fine for your limited world, but for those of us who work lotsa hours with "other software" much of it doesnt work with the latest tetetubby ms operating systems.

    FWIW, ive been reading these forums, and all these matrox fanboys who claim Parhelia isnt for gaming afterall, then stick with your G400's, the 2D is better quality.

    Fact of the matter, ATI & Nvidia seem to cator to "ALL" customer base's (including the matros base of win98/95 users who stuck with matrox hype for so long)

    Matrox is a sinking ship, check out ATI's launch site for the 9700 WOW, finally a next gen card worth the money.

    If you want 2D as good as matrox, get a Leadtek GefoRce 4 or upgrade to the ATI Radeon 9000 series. The ATI radeon 8500 even beats Parhelia.

    Keep me posted if matrox actually produces a card worth the money, and can even come close to the competition.

    For now, ATI canada, and Nvidia USA rule.

  • #2
    Originally posted by Montanan
    Give me a break Ghost and all you fan boys of matrox.

    You all got screwed with the Parhelia and know it!

    Upgrading to latest ms bloatware may be just fine for your limited world, but for those of us who work lotsa hours with "other software" much of it doesnt work with the latest tetetubby ms operating systems.
    go use linux if you are gonna bitch so much about MS. i'm sure they don't really care if they have your business or not. it means one less idiotic customer to have to wind up supporting.

    about Parhelia, i don't even own one, how can i be screwed by one? not to mention the fact it would be horribly uncomfortable...

    on the other hand i *did* get screwed by ATI why i bought a $300 video card that has shit support. there have been problems with the card since day one, and many of them have yet to be resolved.

    Originally posted by Montanan

    Fact of the matter, ATI & Nvidia seem to cator to "ALL" customer base's (including the matros base of win98/95 users who stuck with matrox hype for so long)
    riiigghhhttt. ATI doesn't cater to the "i want a video card that i can acctually use out of box" and NVidia doesn't really cater to the "i want to use my video card for something other than gaming" market.
    "And yet, after spending 20+ years trying to evolve the user interface into something better, what's the most powerful improvement Apple was able to make? They finally put a god damned shell back in." -jwz

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Montanan
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      Upgrading to latest ms bloatware may be just fine for your limited world, but for those of us who work lotsa hours with "other software" much of it doesnt work with the latest tetetubby ms operating systems.
      [/B]
      Hmm last time I checked Windows 2000 was free of the bloatware that XP comes with and you can turn off the Teletubby interface if you want too.

      Go Away ****ing Troll
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      • #4
        and running any software that would "require" windows 98 on *any* $400 video card would be a waste. hell, anything more than a $150 video card for those apps would be a waste.
        "And yet, after spending 20+ years trying to evolve the user interface into something better, what's the most powerful improvement Apple was able to make? They finally put a god damned shell back in." -jwz

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Montanan
          Give me a break Ghost and all you fan boys of matrox.

          You all got screwed with the Parhelia and know it!
          If I would have screwed up with it, I wouldn't be waiting here for it. Read the posts, the most people are very happy with their Parhelias,and so will I.

          Upgrading to latest ms bloatware may be just fine for your limited world, but for those of us who work lotsa hours with "other software" much of it doesnt work with the latest tetetubby ms operating systems.
          There is no need for the Windows XP, just look at Windows 2000 Pro, you can still buy it almost everywhere, so why bothering with XP? If you are really working, then Win 98 isn't a real solution anyways, especially because it's unstable, I used Win 2000 for a time and it maybe crashed once a week, while Win 98 crashed once a day


          FWIW, ive been reading these forums, and all these matrox fanboys who claim Parhelia isnt for gaming afterall, then stick with your G400's, the 2D is better quality.
          That depends on what you are doing, I am not satisfied about the price of the Parhelia, but it has the best 2d around here, best DH (even TH) support and has great gaming abilities, and I call the speed great, because a Radeon 8500 is very well for gaming.

          Fact of the matter, ATI & Nvidia seem to cator to "ALL" customer base's (including the matros base of win98/95 users who stuck with matrox hype for so long)
          Ok, it's a bit strange and I would even call unfair that they didn't produced any Win9x drivers, but the Win9x core is more or less dead. Win 2000 is working fine, so does Win XP. Mostly gamers are using Win98 today, and since this card isn't a pure real gamer card (not every gamer is spending 400$ on a graphics card anyways), I can somehow understand it why the left out this support.

          Matrox is a sinking ship, check out ATI's launch site for the 9700 WOW, finally a next gen card worth the money.
          So business as usal, every 6 months we have a new "king" everybody is moaning about, NV25 beginning of this year, R300 now and in 4 months NV30. I bet that when we see NV30, then suddenly the R300 will look poor. Sure the new Radeon is the fastest gaming card ever, but come on, till now every new card of these two companies is "the fastest card ever".
          It was in 2000 with the GF2 Ultra, it was last year with the GF3s, till beginning of this year it was the Radeon 8500, till September it will be GF4, then it will be R300 for a few weeks till we see NV30 around who will be the fastest, and everytime the company is claimed at it's best. I see people who are crying "Nvidia sux0rs ATI rox0rs (to meat the actual language...)" and when a new card is out they are suddenly saying the different.
          Sure the R300 is impressive, but the same will be with NV30 and other future chipsets. I really bet if Matrox would produce a die shrinked version of the P. with let's say around 320-350 MHz core clock, I bet it can reach the R300 and would even beat it when it comes to Anti-Aliasing.

          If you want 2D as good as matrox, get a Leadtek GefoRce 4 or upgrade to the ATI Radeon 9000 series. The ATI radeon 8500 even beats Parhelia.
          In terms of 2d?! I don't think so. Personally I found the 2d of my V5 5500 better than the 2d of the Radeon 8500 I had.

          Keep me posted if matrox actually produces a card worth the money, and can even come close to the competition.
          For me this card was worth the money, because I want very good 2d and especially good Anti-Aliasing, and till the P. showed up there wasn't a real card which I found good. Yesterday I saw the R300 previews with it's impressive FSAA speeds, and I am a bit frustrated that the P. is so expensive and I really hope Matrox will lower the price for future customers.

          For now, ATI canada, and Nvidia USA rule.
          I bet regular Dual-Head users are going to disagree here, for me, nVidia doesn't rule, the same with ATI. Both have good cards, especially ATI, but R300 isn't available, and when I remember the Radeon 8500, then we won't see any R300 in stores till October or even Novembre! In that time nVidia wants to introduce their NV30, there are already some hints that the NV30 will be the fastest card, and usually nVidias cards are very fast in the stores after the presentation.
          Last year I tried to get a Radeon 8500 right after it was announced, that was in september, I couldn't find the card here and not in the US. Then in October I saw the first stores who had them listed, but didn't shipped to germany. So I imported a card from ebay at beginning november, and actually it was around 5€ cheaper to import the card with 30$ express shipping then to step in a german store to get one of these 3rd party Radeons, there you could clearly see who had bad pricing.
          At the time I got the card there still wasn't a sign about retail Radeon 8500s in german stores, they have finally been available around endin november, december. - Three months after presentation.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Montanan

            Matrox is a sinking ship, check out ATI's launch site for the 9700 WOW, finally a next gen card worth the money.
            LOL then how can you Explain that Matrox has been around longer then both ATI and Nvidia? They must be doing something right..plus they OWN other markets that ATI and Nvidia can only dream about..mostly support for Medical video equipment and Professional Video editing. Matrox isn't a one trick pony when it comes to Video cards...
            Why is it called tourist season, if we can't shoot at them?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Montanan
              Give me a break Ghost and all you fan boys of matrox.
              Only one FanBoy™ here

              You all got screwed with the Parhelia and know it!
              Explain how I was screwed. Please.

              Upgrading to latest ms bloatware may be just fine for your limited world, but for those of us who work lotsa hours with "other software" much of it doesnt work with the latest tetetubby ms operating systems.
              Other software? Tellytubby? Win98 is more Tellytubby than Win2000.

              FWIW, ive been reading these forums, and all these matrox fanboys who claim Parhelia isnt for gaming afterall, then stick with your G400's, the 2D is better quality.
              FWIW, you've been reading these forums? Well done! Prize Hat for Montanan!

              And take the Prize Hat back off - G400 2D is better than Parhelia? Oh yeah, G400 does 32bit, Parhelia only 30bit

              Fact of the matter, ATI & Nvidia seem to cator to "ALL" customer base's (including the matros base of win98/95 users who stuck with matrox hype for so long)
              Seem to cater? They obviously cater for all those people with driver problems. Oh, and Win2000 DualHead? Only Gx00 and Parhelia offer me that.

              Matrox is a sinking ship, check out ATI's launch site for the 9700 WOW, finally a next gen card worth the money.
              9700 is great, but I think $400 on any card is pushing it. Certainly on GeForce's, at least ATi to some extent, and Matrox to a greater extent offer something besides fps.

              If you want 2D as good as matrox, get a Leadtek GefoRce 4 or upgrade to the ATI Radeon 9000 series. The ATI radeon 8500 even beats Parhelia.
              Take your pills.

              Keep me posted if matrox actually produces a card worth the money, and can even come close to the competition.
              Ok, if Matrox remove TripleHead, DualHead-HF, those lovely RAMDACs etc, I'll let you know that Matrox have lowered themselves within touching distance of the competition.

              For now, ATI canada, and Nvidia USA rule.
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              • #8
                Only one FanBoyâ„¢ here
                Hey now ...then again how could I be a Fanboy if I didn't have a Matrox Card in my home machine from December 2000 till July 2002?

                Its alllll goood
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                • #9
                  Unreal Tournament 2003 (DM-Antalus)
                  1024x768x32 High Detail Settings Normalized to GeForce4 Ti 4600

                  ATI Radeon 9700 (128MB) - 1.38

                  GeForce4 Ti 4600 (128MB) - 1.00

                  Matrox Parhelia (128MB) - 0.66
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                  Jedi Knight 2
                  'demo jk2ffa' 1600x1200x32 Normalized to GeForce4 Ti 4600

                  ATI Radeon 9700 (128MB) - 1.10

                  GeForce4 Ti 4600 (128MB) - 1.00

                  Matrox Parhelia (128MB) - 0.51
                  __________________________________________________ _

                  Serious Sam 2: The Second Encounter
                  'Little Trouble' 1600x1200x32 Normalized to GeForce4 Ti 4600

                  ATI Radeon 9700 (128MB) - 1.50

                  GeForce4 Ti 4600 (128MB) - 1.00

                  Matrox Parhelia (128MB) - 0.65

                  __________________________________________________ _

                  |http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1656&p=1


                  The Matrox Parhelia is a gaming card and it was released with crippled performance. If this card came out with performance that was comparable to the ATI card or better than the 4600ti.
                  I and many other people who demand performance for their cash would have bought it. What is so depressing is that the exact same tired defense is deployed by a few "old-timers" as with the G200-400-450-550, If the card had performance that was at 2002 levels there would be no defense needed. Either the card can perform or not. The facts show that is can't match other cards in the same price range.

                  The term "FPS junkies" or like terms, are moot. If the card could perform it would. It is a dog. The facts are in. No more excuses. If you still HAVE to twist the facts to defend your Video Card selection then have fun.

                  Two things...

                  Why do so many people here and some of the mods run 35.00 CPU's and historic chipsets with a 400.00 video card?

                  And for all people to tell a Troll to F-off GT98..... P-L-E-A-S-E after the [H]ard time you gave to others on another Forum, you would think that the word Humble would be in order. No shame?

                  If and when The Big M releases a card that has performance and the great 2d that cannot be debated. I will buy it. And so will many others.

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                  • #10
                    And for all people to tell a Troll to F-off GT98..... P-L-E-A-S-E after the [H]ard time you gave to others on another Forum, you would think that the word Humble would be in order. No shame?
                    My posting on [H]ardocp was to dealing with the way the news was being reported about the card...without them even testing themself. I Felt part of the hositlity of the news reporting was done becasue they didnt get a test unit from M and not to mention the deal with the NDA. If you look at this thread here: http://forums.murc.ws/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34763
                    Which shows the same thing...but this is justifed by them since they had alot of problems with IBM hard drives. I dont care if you bash a product if you have experance with it, just dont base it on other peoples words/reviews.
                    Why is it called tourist season, if we can't shoot at them?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Afronaut

                      The term "FPS junkies" or like terms, are moot. If the card could perform it would. It is a dog. The facts are in. No more excuses. If you still HAVE to twist the facts to defend your Video Card selection then have fun.
                      the term is not moot. look at Unreal Tourney 2003 and the CPU scaling article. with high details enabled, a GF2MX200 or Kyro II card and an 800mhz processor is still playable. a GF2 Ultra and 800mhz processor will *still* provide an absolutely playable gaming experience.

                      i could build a $500 computer right now and it would play all games from the last generation without a problem, and most of the next gen games without a problem.

                      in this case i do believe the FPS junkies term is refering to those who have to have the latest and greatest in order to have the absolute largest penis size, err, highest average FPS.

                      i would also suggest putting a TNT2 M64 back into your computer if you wanna see a dog. nothing that can do what the Parhelia does is a total dog. it may not provide the fastest frame rates, but it certainly is no slouch.

                      Originally posted by Afronaut

                      Why do so many people here and some of the mods run 35.00 CPU's and historic chipsets with a 400.00 video card?
                      could it possibly be that if they did it the other way around they would get really shitty performance?

                      video cards make a bigger impact in games than processors do. *especially* the new video cards. maybe this will change with the next round of games, but the fact remains that Unreal Tourney and Quake3 were both designed to be able to run on P200's or less, and in the case of unreal tourney, without a 3d accelerator.

                      look at the CPU scaling article that anand did Unreal Tourney 2003 as well, you do not gain any additional playability by doubling the clock speed from 800mhz to 1.6ghz. going from a GF2MX400 to a GF2 Ultra on the other hand... that boosts FPS past the 60FPS that most people consider 'required'.

                      also, point me to who uses the $35 cpu's...

                      Originally posted by Afronaut

                      And for all people to tell a Troll to F-off GT98..... P-L-E-A-S-E after the [H]ard time you gave to others on another Forum, you would think that the word Humble would be in order. No shame?
                      i do tend to agree with GT98 here... kyle was being a prick... it wasn't about how it performed, it was the fact that kyle was being a total ****ole

                      Originally posted by Afronaut

                      If and when The Big M releases a card that has performance and the great 2d that cannot be debated. I will buy it. And so will many others.
                      i don't think that Matrox at all cares about falling into the "gotta have the fastest FPS" crap that NVidia spouts. if you wanna believe that you have to have the largest penis, err, fastest FPS, then go buy an NVidia card or buy a $400 ATI card that won't work right. hell, go buy an Abit motherboard too, all the review sites (including [H]) say that they are the best!

                      oh, and btw, even chicks get tired by the penis size debate... many i know have stated that large ones tend to be a bit uncomfortable and unenjoyable... sorry to break your porn star wannabe fantasies....
                      Last edited by DGhost; 19 July 2002, 08:55.
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                      • #12
                        And some of the 'mods' may be taking offence to being lumped into a generic basket by someone who complains at being lumped into the penis siz.. er fps-kiddie basket.

                        Dan
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                        • #13
                          Performance either you got it or you don't. Say what you will. My Penis is fine btw.

                          Most people expect performance for 400.00.Maybe you are in your comfort zone with the slow cards from Matrox.

                          If Matrox released a gaming card that had performance there would be no insults or defensive posts. The review would rave.

                          The same tired stuff from 1998 would have been retired.

                          If you girl is fat she is fat. She might have a nice face. But she is still fat. You can argue all you want about how large is good, and her hands are perfect, but she is still fat. I don't care about nice fingers.


                          Fact this card is a Dog for 400.00 Looks good no muscle. Like a

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                          • #14
                            Some men prefer cuddly women, obviously you havn't progresed past superficial relationships yet
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                            • #15
                              Most people expect performance for 400.00.
                              Correction. You expect FPS performance for $400.00.

                              You're just making as ass of yourself by implying that your buying habits are what everyone does or should follow.

                              Reality check. PC Gaming is a niche market.

                              This is the same thin argument you've been tossing out with just about every post you've made.

                              Reality check. I don't care what you think.

                              You appear to have some sort of deep seated need to cause trouble on this board with regard to Parhelia. Are you just a angst filled teenager with too much time on your hands? With the way you have conducted yourself why should I care what you think?
                              Last edited by Ryu Connor; 19 July 2002, 09:38.
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