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Dogbert
30th June 2002, 03:03
Buying a new computer soon. I'm very budget limited so I'll be buying a barebone system and I have a few questions:

Don't laugh cause I'm trying to squeeze the maximum into my tight budget and prices here are far from being low.

Case: Enermax fs710B with 350W enermax power supply 128$
- question: how loud does it go ? Is there a way to silence it ?
MB: Asus A7V333-E-Audio 145$
CPU: Athlon XP 1800 (retail box) 136$
Mem: 512MB Transcend PC2700 187$
HDD: Maxtor 60GB D740X-6L 106$
DVD: Pioneer DVD-116/2 69$
Burner: Plextor 40x12x40 IDE 156$
Net: 3com 3c905c-tx

How will my gaming experience be with a G400 32MB DH on this system ? (I currently have a Celeron 500@75Mhz with an Asus 7100-T:rolleyes: )

Any ideas will be highly appreciated, I didn't find Liteon burners around here (yet) so skip this suggestion ;)

Ant
30th June 2002, 03:33
I'd go for the Asus A7S333 motherboard instead, the SIS 745 chipset gets much better write ups than the VIA. I've ordered one of these myself with a XP2000+ and a Gig of PC2100.

Dogbert
30th June 2002, 03:36
I want one but I haven't seen any SIS 7xx bases boards anywhere around here. Nor any ALi chipsets as well.

I can only choose between AMD/VIA/nVIDIA chipsets which means KT333 / AMD MPX / AMD 761 / nVIDIA 420D.

Dogbert
30th June 2002, 08:47
Asked my retailer to try ordering an A7S for me.

Meanwhile, are there any reviews of the A7S online ?

Dogbert
30th June 2002, 13:40
No Asus A7S in Israel, nor there will be :(
A7V333 it'll be then.

GT98
30th June 2002, 14:42
If your looking at saving money get a Liteon CD-Burner. I just ordered a 40x Burner for $69 bucks and a Liteon DVD drive for $40 bucks. The LiteOn DVD is rated as one of the best CD-Readers and the LiteOn-burners dont have problems with making back ups of your orginal software that uses safedisc 2 copy protection :bandit: :cool:

GT98
30th June 2002, 14:44
Originally posted by Ant
I'd go for the Asus A7S333 motherboard instead, the SIS 745 chipset gets much better write ups than the VIA. I've ordered one of these myself with a XP2000+ and a Gig of PC2100.

Damn whats the deal here...is Greebe brainwashing everyone into getting a Sis745 chipset :D

Oh well I was looking at getting mine before he got his MSI board...after Reading what DocM said about his ECS boards.

William
30th June 2002, 15:25
Originally posted by GT98
If your looking at saving money get a Liteon CD-Burner. I just ordered a 40x Burner for $69

If you want to save money on a CD burner, some of the 32x LiteOns are firmware upgradeable to 48x. Most of the 40x ones are as well ;)

Dr Mordrid
30th June 2002, 21:04
Interesting note about those new SiS chipsets: they use multi-threaded I/O between the North and South bridge (SiS 735/745 for Athlon have both N & S bridges are in one package but the 645/650 P4 chipsets use separate ones).

SiS puts it this way;

"To resolve the PCI-133 bandwidth bottleneck, 3 technologies are utilized......namely multiple DMA buses, Multi-threaded I/O Link, and MuTIOL® Connect.

Instead of connecting all the I/O bus masters to the PCI bus, each integrated I/O bus master as well as the PCI master clusters is offered a dedicated DMA bus with separate address bus, input data bus, and output data bus that features pipeline & split transaction.

The integrated Multi-threaded I/O Link further buffers and manages these multiple DMA buses to ensure concurrency of multiple upstream and downstream data transfers. "

No wonder they work so good with the RT.X100, which really hammers the PCI bus hard when doing multiple layers of effects.

VansHardware gives this example of how this affects performance;

"SiS's very high-speed connection between the Northbridge and the Southbridge (Mutiol) make this board the very best 32-bit low-end server solution. I've seen one running SCSI RAID with two gigabit ethernet cards. We ping-flooded both gb ethernet ports and at the same time ran disk-io benchmarks. The results were excellent--especially when compared to a VIA KT266A-based board. This Mutiol technology does breathe new life into 32-bit PCI"

Dr. Mordrid

Dogbert
30th June 2002, 23:59
Ok,

Since there is no SIS motherboard around here, should I go AMD (761/MPX)/ VIA /nVIDIA (420D) ?

I've found one LiteOn CD-Burner in an online shop here but it costs as much as the Plextor, which is better then ?

Dr Mordrid
1st July 2002, 01:24
Do not go with nVIDIA's NForce, VIA or the MaJiK if you can help it, especially on multimedia systems.

If I had to choose something other than the SiS chipsets I'd go with the AMD 76x's.

Dr. Mordrid

Wombat
1st July 2002, 01:52
Wow, no ECS or MSI745 either?

KvHagedorn
1st July 2002, 02:37
Shoot.. the 760 is OLD.. you could wait til hammer is out (thats the next AMD chipset)

:rolleyes: I wish AMD would be more on the ball with their chipsets.

Dogbert
1st July 2002, 05:24
The Only MSI boards I see here are P4 and not AMD ones:rolleyes:.

Didn't see any SIS 74x nor ALi boards here as well:confused:. So my choice is limited to AMD / VIA chipsets.

The boards I'm currently considering are these:

Gigabyte GA-7DXR+ (AMD 761) 123$
Gigabyte GA-7VRXP (KT333) 134$
ASUS A7V333-E-Audio (no raid) 145$

Evildead666
1st July 2002, 09:14
I would steer clear of any VIA chipsets...i have nothing but problems with the IDE and possibly the AGP bus...
Abit KT7A-RAID.....Abit is good, but via is not.
edit: Then again this is an old board compared to the KT333 ones...

I would go with the AMD, and for the Burner, if Plex is as much as LiteOn, then get Plextor, they usually have more cache (4mb instead of 2Mb)

KvHagedorn
1st July 2002, 09:39
Plextor has always had better build quality in my experience. That's the most important thing.

Dr Mordrid
1st July 2002, 10:43
Dogbert;

MSI makes an excellent P4 board with a SiS 645 chipset, which has the same multi-threaded I/O as the Athlon chipsets. Might want to see if they have that one in Israel.

Dr. Mordrid

William
1st July 2002, 11:37
Originally posted by Dogbert


I've found one LiteOn CD-Burner in an online shop here but it costs as much as the Plextor, which is better then ?

There's not much difference in quality between Plextor & the rest of the field anymore -particularly in their support departents. Having said that, if it was me I would still get the Plextor

az
1st July 2002, 13:25
c't had some problems with the Plextor burner, when it came to copying copy protected stuff (can't remember what it was exactly, though). They tested an Asus burner, too, which worked flawlessly.

AZ

Dogbert
1st July 2002, 13:54
Dr.

We have the P4 SIS boards here, namely:

MSI MS-6547
ASUS P4S333-ML
ASUS P4S333-VML
ASUS P4S533/A - which seems really super cool


But I thought I should better show my support for AMD and go with an XP system (not to mention the CPU is cheaper)...

We have ASUS CD burners here as well but they have only 2 MB cache.
They're $20 cheaper.

William
1st July 2002, 14:10
Originally posted by az
c't had some problems with the Plextor burner, when it came to copying copy protected stuff (can't remember what it was exactly, though). They tested an Asus burner, too, which worked flawlessly.

AZ

ASUS, at my last check didn't actually make their own CD drives, they just badged. So you get a LiteOn one week, a Sanyo the next... I haven't seen any evidence to suggest this has changed recentley.

az
1st July 2002, 15:51
I'd have to look which Asus model they used, then you would be able to find out who the oem is ;)

If you want.

AZ

William
1st July 2002, 16:36
Originally posted by az
I'd have to look which Asus model they used, then you would be able to find out who the oem is ;)

If you want.

AZ

I can certainly try. The most popular ones are Sanyo, LiteOn, Ricoh (since they quit doing retail in the US, that's hardly a surprise). The easiest two places for spotting who actually made the drive are a) what it IDs as in device manager (I'm not kidding; some badgers do not bother customising even this!) or b) what for of buffer underrun protection it uses. BurnProof=Sanyo chipset, JustLink=Ricoh chipset, SMART-BURN=LiteOn/mediatek chipset (I think), ExactLink=Oak technologies chipset. Used by quite a lot of maufacturers unfortunately. Powerburn=Sony. I think that the Philips version is called "flexlink" -but couldn't swear to it. The Yamaha one if SafeBurn, but no one rebadges Yammy drives anymore, because they're hellish expensive, even in huge quantity.

Whew, what a lot :D

Jake
1st July 2002, 16:53
Originally posted by Dr Mordrid
Do not go with nVIDIA's NForce, VIA or the MaJiK if you can help it, especially on multimedia systems.

If I had to choose something other than the SiS chipsets I'd go with the AMD 76x's.

Dr. Mordrid

I had the Abit KG7-RAID in my system, but swapped it for an A7V333, as it had a sad tendency of spontanious reboots. I think it must have been the Highpoint controller causing the problems, but it could also have been the AMD760 chipset - who knows. Now it works like a charm with exactly the same hardware just different mobo. :)

/Jake

Wombat
1st July 2002, 17:17
Just the fact that it was an Abit lets us know what the problem was: it was an Abit.

Dogbert
2nd July 2002, 03:07
Ok, I think this is going to be the final system:

Case: Enermax fs710B with 350W enermax power supply $128
MB: Asus A7V333-E-Audio $145
CPU: Athlon XP 1800 (retail box) $136
Mem: 512MB Transcend PC2700 $150
HDD: Maxtor 60GB D740X-6L $106
floppy (just in case) $11
DVD: Pioneer DVD-116/2 $69
Burner: Plextor 40x12x40 IDE $156
Net: 3com 3c905c-tx $40

Total: $ 941

I'll use my good onld G400 DH with it for some time.

Any last ideas / suggestions ?

Dogbert
2nd July 2002, 04:23
hehe, I had a slot loading Pioneer x6 scsi RPC 1 DVD which was really great while it lasted :)
Too bad it died on me (stopped reading discs) :(

I too prefer slot loading cause it takes less space and it's easier to manipulate when copying CDs (you don't have 2 open trays.

The only minus is that you can't use non standard CD sizes.

edit: typos