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GT98
30th January 2002, 05:49
I'm curious to ask this...From what I've been hearing and piecing together..the New Top of the Line Video Card that Matrox is coming out with is going to cost a pretty Penny...some where around the $1200 USD range for the Top end and is supposed to be 3x times faster then whats out on the market today (which it should be for the Price :p )...which leads me to this...how many people here would pony up the cash for that card?

I'm personally looking for a Card in the $300-400 range that is fast as/faster then GF3/4 and has at least 64MB of RAM on it...though I'm open to maybe going to 32MB if it doesnt show all that much improvement in benchmarks etc to make it in that price range just to enjoy having a Matrox Card at home again that I can game on (did I tell you how much I like this PCI G450 I got at work? :D ) and have Matrox's excellent support.

Scott

Sasq
30th January 2002, 06:00
I'd prefer the $300 - $400 range, but I will pay a little more for a 64mb version - but not to much - are you listening marketing :D

Dan

cjolley
30th January 2002, 07:10
The top two lines of your poll are missing.
chuck

Unam
30th January 2002, 07:35
For a card faster than a GF3/4 with Matrox quality and support, I'd pay $500 to $900 CDN, no problem.:p

Novdid
30th January 2002, 07:36
I agree with you cjolley.

I don't know if I want to pay that much for my next card.:o

Tempest
30th January 2002, 07:44
I selected 400-500$... But we must remember that MatroxUsers are only a very small part of the people interested in buying a new graphics card. Your average hardware upgrading gamer can not understand why he should pay more for a Matrox card when he can have an ATI card for less money.

Sasq
30th January 2002, 07:50
Your average hardware upgrading gamer can not understand why he should pay more for a Matrox card when he can have an ATI card for less money.

Really depends if he's paying half the price and only getting 1/4 the speed doesn't it :D

Dan

Ant
30th January 2002, 08:01
There are bigger and better markets than gamers for Matrox with a high end card that will tolerate high prices. Maybe Matrox will still accomodate the gamer in the next card but then move on to a higher plain.

Guru
30th January 2002, 08:12
3x faster then the G550!?! :confused: :confused: :confused: Iwould pay ~150€ max!

Tempest
30th January 2002, 10:54
Guru, I think he was speaking of the market in general :)

Originally posted by Ant
There are bigger and better markets than gamers for Matrox with a high end card that will tolerate high prices. Maybe Matrox will still accomodate the gamer in the next card but then move on to a higher plain. I really wouldn't want to see them move into professional OpenGL and leave all other markets. Then again, I wouldn't want them to become like nVidia and ditch out a new card every 6 months. I want a card like my G400MAX was (and still is). A top of the line product that has features for almost everything I want to do with my PC. A card that is scalable, holds its value and has excellent stability and feature-rich drivers. Too bad no company can survive by making that kind of graphics adapters anymore.

I do understand why a graphics card maker would want to concentrate in professional high-end graphics. There, you get respect as a high-tech name, you get more money per card, you sell less cards -> less different setups, apps and users -> less problems. You don't have to make ten different models of each card, and you have customers that don't expect you to introduce a new card every six months. And your customers care more about quality than price.

BUT if you want to dominate the desktop, you have to have at least four different chips/cards: An integrated one, a cheap OEM card, a Geforce MX-style card for those that are not satisfied with the OEM one, and an expensive card for hardcore gamers and other hardware fanatics. Then there are of course people that get difficult and want things like Video In, DualHead etc. Add together all those different models, their support and drivers and the fact that all owners regardless of experience want to install and configure the hardware themselves on a multitude of new platforms and operating systems, and you've got hell. Oh, and you should release a new version of all those models every six months :eek:

KeiFront
30th January 2002, 11:57
I like being difficult :D. Gimme Video in/out, DH, ... gimme all the gimmicks :D.

Ali
30th January 2002, 13:39
I think Tempest has the right of it.

Matrox should go for the low-end (G550) bussiness end, and the high-end pro/cad end. The gamer market is a little to segmented to be that profitable.

I would love another Matrox card, and will probably buy one when it comes out. I hate changing vid cards all the time, and want something thats going to last at LEAST a year, and prefer 2 years.

Isnt it strange that we all complain that Matrox dont release cards fast enough, and I think most of us realy dont want to buy cards every 6 months?

I just miss reading all the comments/reviews of new Matrox cards. :)

Ali

Novdid
30th January 2002, 14:17
Remember that the G550 is an evolution of a gaming board (well it derives from a swiss army knife board, designed to do everything). Nvidia still sells TNT2 M64 boards, and ATI still Rage128 as low cost business models, excactly the same thing is what Matrox does. They use old architecture as low cost business models, cards that once were high end gaming boards. The difference is that the other companies continue to develop new hardware were Matrox develops fantastic software like good drivers and offcourse a very matured Dualhead software suite.

But they (Matrox) need a new chip now which they can use in their solutions for the next few years, if they plan to continue their approach by making the momma of all cards and then suck that chip for all it's worth.

Bottom line is that you do make a lot of money by making a good, fast, versatile and innovative gaming board (G400) which also eventually can be used in a business environment, in the long run.

Jammrock
30th January 2002, 14:26
uh...anyone know what the USD to Euro conversion rate is?

I think $200-300 persoanlly...because I'm sure there will be a gamers version.

Jammrock

TdB
30th January 2002, 15:30
I would love another Matrox card, and will probably buy one when it comes out. I hate changing vid cards all the time, and want something thats going to last at LEAST a year, and prefer 2 years.

Isnt it strange that we all complain that Matrox dont release cards fast enough, and I think most of us realy dont want to buy cards every 6 months?



Im a hardcore gamer and i had a g400max in my gaming rig for 1.5 years (and happy with it the whole time).
Nvidia doesnīt decide when you should change graphic-cards, the gamedevelopers do(well, actually you decide for yourself, but you know what I mean :p), and they donīt expect you to change cards every 6 months.
I think most people are confusing a hardcore gamer with a hardcore benchmarker. :rolleyes:

mdhome
30th January 2002, 23:53
Its nice to see everyone fairly optimistic, but does any one here harbor doubts that Matrox's next card will not be the card that we are all waiting for?

I just dont want to see people get let down in a similar way to the G800 fisaco.


Regards MD

[GDI]Raptor
31st January 2002, 03:36
I belive Matrox wont do the same mistake twice! I dont think they have sold so many G550 cards as they hoped!

I belive Matrox can and will give us a good high end card this time! I just hope they can get it out in time, they should have announced something before E3, and the card should ship before the end Q2 or perhaps in the start Q3, at the latest!

So come on Matrox! ;)

Schattenreiter
31st January 2002, 06:47
I donīt think so either.
No mistakes twice. Even canadians couldnīt do this... I guess Brian Adams is an exception to this rule, wouldnīt you agree? :D :D :D

$300 or 300Euro should be max for me since I am not rich at the moment.

But even $600 shouldnīt be too much considering the fact that we donīt have to upgrade for the next 3 years again. Not 3 months like all the Nvidia guys! :p ;) :p

TdB
31st January 2002, 07:03
Im curious, what can justify a pricetag at 900+$ :confused:

the only matrox cards in the price range i have heard of, is the mms series and the rt series, i canīt imagine a card that expesive card would be anything but a card for professionals.

if it its a gamers card, then it has to be truly amazing, i wouldnīt pay that much for anything unless it can outperform other high-end cards for the next 3+ years,(which i donīt think is realistic).

i mean, i can upgrade my whole system TWICE for that amount of money.

az
31st January 2002, 16:08
It's a shame Matrox doesn't have a 6 month product cycle... I'd be able to get the next-to-high-end-generation card for 150,- EUR then ;)

Anyways, I don't have the money, so I'll buy it when it gets cheaper. The problem with this is that Matrox cards stay expensive for a loooong time :(

AZ

Zanna
4th February 2002, 17:26
I will pay 150$ for a "three-times faster than G400" card and 200$ for a "three-times faster than a G400Max" card.

Three years ago, I changed my old G200 with a new, shining G400MAX because it was three times faster!

Obviously I want at least 64Mb of SGRAM or FCRAM not DDR SDRAM :D

A nice feature included may be RSN :p

Rags
4th February 2002, 17:33
Originally posted by TDB
Im curious, what can justify a pricetag at 900+$ :confused:

the only matrox cards in the price range i have heard of, is the mms series and the rt series, i canīt imagine a card that expesive card would be anything but a card for professionals.



The MMS has made a lot of money for Matrox I am sure. Same with the RT series. These aren't cheap, but they sure do sell a bunch of them.

Rags

rylan
4th February 2002, 17:58
Don't forget the medical imaging market.
Matrox's new G200Med or whetver its called is a medical version of the g200mms. The medical market will pay a lot more for graphics cards, due to the requirements (better output stage, 10-bit dac, grayscale, landscape mode, calibration etc).

Medical stuff doesn't need 3D power.. just raw 2D speed and bandwidth between the pci bus and framebuffer.
The only problem is, its based on the G200 core, and is gonna be too slow to push 1200x1600 images while doing windowing/levling (realtime contrast and image manipulation).

Wombat
4th February 2002, 20:54
I will pay 150$ for a "three-times faster than G400" card and 200$ for a "three-times faster than a G400Max" card.

I would expect a lot more for my money. Since Matrox has yet to announce a new card, I figure we have at least 3 months before anybody gets their hands on one. That would be 3 years since the G400 was released, and cost about $200 for the MAX. 3 years is enough time for Moore's Law to kick in twice, so the card should be 4x MAX speed for the same price.

Also, the MAX didn't reach full potential until 800MHz+ CPUs came out a few months later. So, the new card should be 5x MAX speeds, to start with :D

Tempest
5th February 2002, 05:59
(Hehe, here I had a post claiming that I actually paid 350 US bucks for my G400MAX... Damn these €uros, still haven't got used to them because it seems that I made a mistake. Actually I paid about 250 USD, which fits in pretty well with Wombat's post.) :o

mdhome
5th February 2002, 13:43
Any one remember Chick coming here and being scorched because he gave us detailed info about the up and coming G550.

http://www.chickshardware.com/html/spy/matrox26052001/1.html

I wonder if he has anything new to tell us :)

K6-III
5th February 2002, 18:13
I'll continue to look forward to it...but little by little...all that excitement is fizzling....

KvHagedorn
5th February 2002, 23:39
If Matrox has decided to go three years between "generations," they need to come out with a card that's at least 10x faster than a G400Max.. so it will be at the forefront for at least 3 years.

Pyrophos
8th February 2002, 02:46
I am currently searching for a new video card, and my current candidates are Radeon8500, GF4 and the possible new Matrox card. Since this card would be used both for work and games, I'd need whole lot of "demanding" features: Excellent picture quality, dual monitor support and of course, it should blazing fast in 3D (Unreal 2 is coming out soon, hopefully...). And of course, stable and reliable drivers would be nice.

In current cards some of these features are mutually exclusive so of course I am hoping that Matrox could come up with something that meets my demands. If such a card was available, I would gladly pay 350-400 euros.

Too bad I cannot wait forever. My final deadline is the date Unreal 2 is out and then I will get the best candidate... I hope that Matrox has at least announced something by then.

- P.