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  • TAGÈS copy protection makes backups impossible(?)

    a new copy protection called TAGÈS ,found in the "Motoracer 3" game, cannot be defeated with all known CD copiers (CloneCD, CDMate, BlindWrite). As the company explains:

    "...TAGÈS is not a dongle or an authentication mark on the disk. On the other hand, TAGÈS is neither an encapsulation software nor an encryption algorithm. TAGÈS is not pure hardware, nor is it just software… It is both hardware and software. The TAGÈS protection system leverages two complementary approaches:

    The first is based on a specific, patented mastering process that is used to physically distinguish the disks and to create a secure zone on the disk where data can be dissimulated. This secure zone can be read by any CD drive, but cannot be reproduced with a CD burner: it is just physically impossible.

    The second approach makes use of a set of software components implementing the protection strategy and measures. These are based on cryptography techniques (you can see the data, but they appear meaningless unless you are in possession of the right deciphering key), on steganography (essential data are hidden so that you do not even know they exist, let alone where to start searching, unless someone told you), and on a dozen other techniques aimed at giving a hard time to the most gifted hackers, and at making a generic crack virtually impossible.

    The result? Firstly, a disk protected with TAGÈS™ cannot be cloned, whatever CD burner you use, whatever CD-copy software you can find. Secondly, a disk protected with TAGÈS™ can be copied, and the copy will be functional…up to the point that is tolerated by the publisher. The idea here is to let the holder of an illicit copy have a "taste and smell" of the genuine application, so that he may be tempted to acquire the license by licit means. Thirdly, TAGÈS™ is the only protection system that is totally immune to generic patches. Even if someone succeeded in cracking one title protected with TAGÈS™, all other titles would still be safe..."

  • #2
    Been there, done that. There are numerous protection methods which rely on physically modifying the disc.

    Problem is, they always discover that there are a good percentage (50%) of READERS that can't read this data correctly.

    Add to this the exorbitant cost of producing such CD's, and you have a lose/lose situation.

    - Gurm
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    • #3
      Plus, "licit" isn't a word. The opposite of "illicit" it ain't.

      Kinda like there's no such word as "trepid".

      - Gurm

      P.S. Yeah, I'm picking nits, but you know what? Pay a ****ing proofreader for your press releases. Morons.
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      If only life were as easy as you
      I'm the least you could do, oh yeah
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      • #4
        er...

        from Chambers Dictionary

        licit lis'it, adj. lawful, allowable [L. licitus.]

        trepid, quaking

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        • #5
          What I find most ridiculous about this is their proud tone they use when showing off something that (History tells) WILL be cracked. Even a moron knows that. It´s just a question of time. What they achieve in the process is just to upset some people for a limited time, just that.

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          • #6
            Sorry Gurm, <i>licit</I> is a word, according to American Heritage, and Webster's. And at least use "ain't" correctly. It's "am not."
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            • #7
              Hats off to them.
              Fingers crossed this sytem will work, then it will be one in the eye to those thieving scum and their software theft.
              I love the idea of there being no generic crack for the system too.

              It's obviously a new system that looks quite secure now, so as they develop the system it should become even better.

              'Licit' appears in the Oxford Dictionary too, 'trepid' doesn't though.
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              • #8
                Licit is a 15th century form, back when they didn't believe in having words with no antonyms.

                It's hardly good English. Trepid is even worse English. The fact that they are in the dictionary (benchmark as a verb is ALSO in those dictionaries, for heaven's sake) doesn't make it OK.

                - Gurm

                P.S. I was PURPOSELY misusing "ain't", which is ALSO not a word.

                P.P.S. Back to the topic:

                1. There WILL be a generic crack. It's just an inevitability.

                2. It doesn't matter, because EVERY game that gets released is no-cd cracked within hours of release (or BEFORE release) anyway. Go check out the list at http://www.gamecopyworld.com

                3. What they are proposing to do is illegal... since every country in the world recognizes the right of the owner of software to make a working backup copy of that software, and this system would prevent that. In fact, technically ALL cd copy protection schemes are illegal in that manner. *wink*
                Last edited by Gurm; 4 December 2001, 06:28.
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                If only life were as easy as you
                I'm the least you could do, oh yeah
                If only life were as easy as you
                I would still get screwed

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by BarryS
                  er...

                  from Chambers Dictionary

                  licit lis'it, adj. lawful, allowable [L. licitus.]

                  trepid, quaking
                  Are you a crossword player?
                  I gave my wife a Chamber's last Christmas. She is a big fan of The Times Crossword.


                  Gurm,
                  You sound like you would like a good proscriptive dictionary.
                  I'll sell you our Webster's New International Second Edition.
                  Perfect condition, on India Paper with the original stand.
                  Gave it to my wife about 10 years ago for Christmas.

                  Notice a trend?

                  (Just kidding about selling the Webster's, She'd kill me )
                  chuck

                  PS Hacker's time is free, no CP will ever be economic, except to prevent casual abuse.
                  Chuck
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                  • #10
                    My dictionary is bigger than yours. <a href="http://www.bartleby.com/61/" title="The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language"><img src="http://www.bartleby.com/am/dict129.gif"></a>

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by orangejulius
                      My dictionary is bigger than yours. <a href="http://www.bartleby.com/61/" title="The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language"><img src="http://www.bartleby.com/am/dict129.gif"></a>
                      LOL
                      I don't even have a dictionary of my oun.
                      Can't spell well enough to look anything up in one.
                      chuck


                      PS But I can cut & paste

                      Licit = http://www.bartleby.com/61/37/L0153700.html
                      Trepid = http://www.bartleby.com/61/11/T0341100.html
                      Last edited by cjolley; 4 December 2001, 12:50.
                      Chuck
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                      • #12
                        Ok chaps, lets play the devils advocate. Why should any of us be allowed to copy cd's. After all most of the cd's that I copy are for illegal reasons.

                        regards 'long john' MD
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                        • #13
                          This isn't just devil's advocate, it's legitimate bitching:

                          Let's say a CD costs about $15. Less than $2 of that (and likely less than $1) is the cost of manufacturing. That leaves $13 for the material on the CD, which from the seller's point of view, I paid for a "license" to use the material.

                          1. So, that license should travel with me, rather than the CD. If I leave the original CD at home, I have the right to have a copy in the car, or at work, so long as I'm only listening to one at a time.

                          2. What happens when a CD gets scratched? You <I>should</I> just be able to order a new copy of the CD, paying only the manufacturing cost of the CD, plus some shipping and handling. You can't. You have to buy another CD. And even then, you're not supposed to make a copy of the 2nd original, to replace the one that was destroyed. I have three "licenses" to Depeche Mode's <I>Violator</I>, and a number of scratched CDs that I like, but not enough to buy again.

                          3. What if the CD is irreplacable? CDs aren't constantly minted. I have a few CDs that I can never get a replacement copy of.

                          4. What if I want to put the CDs into a different format, like an MP3 CD, or a DVD-RW that has a number of uncompressed CD images on it?


                          A number of these issues apply to software CDs as well, bu they have EULAs which complicate things. IMHO though, EULAs aren't legal either, since you don't get to view them until after the purchase, and can't return the product once the box is open.
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                          • #14
                            Copy protection in any kind is a waste of time....

                            Somebody will defeat it...

                            It will probably anoy the hell out of a owner of a original since it might prohibit him to use it because his player don't like it....

                            In my case it was the DIABLO 2 Discs that wouldent work in my Pioneer DVD untill the fift patch and thre revisions of firmwhare later.....

                            Luckily it did work in my sony CD-RW drive

                            Instead of copy protecting games they should instead sell them at a price that made it unessesary to copy games or software....
                            If there's artificial intelligence, there's bound to be some artificial stupidity.

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                            • #15
                              Wombat
                              Cant fault you on those arguments.


                              regards MD
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