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Joel
28th October 2001, 07:44
I'm looking at get my kids a gaming console for christmas this year. I don't want to spend a whole lot of money for it so that rules out the Xbox and PS2 at this time. But I do want one that can last them at least a few years and has a good selection at games. I've looked at Sega's Dreamcast. It's the cheapest but doesn't seem to have that many games. Then there in the PS1 and N-64. Both are about the same in price and have a good selection of games but I think the PS1 uses CDs while the N-64 cartridges.

So what do y'all think?

Joel :)

BTW Girl - 8, Boy - 5

Beezer
28th October 2001, 08:05
I'm really no expert on consoles since I've never owned one, but my kids (boys 11yr & 8yr) suggest PS1 (from playing on friends). I think this Xmas I will buckle to the pressure and buy them the Xbox.
Since your kids are still young and probably won't notice any quality differences between the Dreamcast, PS1, or N-64, I would get the one that supports the types of games your kids would most likely enjoy.
Also, when my kids were the age of yours, I got them Gameboys -- and they actually still enjoy playing with them 3 years later.

isochar
28th October 2001, 08:27
I would say Gamecube for your kiddies, and an Xbox for you.

Here are the targeted age groups for the consoles:

Gamecube: 8-14
PS2: 12-18
Xbox: 18-35

It's worth mentioning that the Xbox is the only game console with a parental control feature because it'll be the only game console with pr0n on it. :)

Kruzin
28th October 2001, 08:37
N64 has many more "kid" titles than the other options. I almost picked one up myself a few weeks back because they are getting so cheap. Toys-r-Us had a 'Pikachu' version of n64 on clearance for 75 bucks...but add a second controller and a couple cartridges, and suddenly it becomes >$150.

So, like Beezer, I got both of mine Gameboys (color). They seem to enjoy those more than a console, because they can take them wherever they want, and can connect to their friend with GBCs that have the same game titles. Gamboy Advance is also out now, so GBC has dropped in price a little too....

Jammrock
28th October 2001, 09:30
Being the super geek I am, and former console salesguy, I will lay down my opinions for you.

Do not buy any out-of-date console. Their life span is up, and development will completely halt for them shortly. This includes (plus any gen older than said system): PlayStation 1, N64 and The Dreamcast. Sega has officially stopped their hardware business and is now programming for the other guys as the largest game maker in the world. The Dreamcast will be dead within a year.

isochar's target range is accurate, but remember that there are always exceptions to the rule.

The GameCube will target Nintendo's favorite audience, children. This will make adult games a niche for their market, but there will be several mature games (there are already several Star Wars games planned). If you do not plan on playing the console by yourself and it is 90% for the kiddies, the GameCube is your best bet.

The PlayStation 2 is going to be the best all around platform. It has been on the market the longest, so it has had the chance to build up the largest stock of titles and hardware. I would put their target audience at 8-25 years old. If you are going to do a decent amount of gaming yourself, I would pick this up. Plus you can play DVD's on it out of the box.

The Xbox will eventually be the most diverse platform, but initially it will be targeted at the low-mid twenties people with cash to burn. Since it uses DirectX and MS development kits it will become quickly flooded with titles from every category of the market, as porting title between the Xbox and the PC will be trivial. This is the wait-and-see console. There will be kids game for it, but they may take a while to get to market. I'd buy this only if you plan on doing most of the gaming.

My favorite console source is the IGN/Snowball network. Here are links to their dedicated sites to each of the big three new consoles:

http://cube.ign.com/ - GameCube
http://ps2.ign.com/ - PlayStation 2
http://xbox.ign.com/ - Xbox

You can check out present and future release for each system, plus hardware specs, etc. at each site.

Jammrock

Wombat
28th October 2001, 10:04
Jammrock beat me to it, but if you get a PS2, you are getting a 1/2 decent DVD player as well. If you don't want to lay down the cash, Sony is still making new PS1s. I think you can get a good PS1 package for under $100 now. You could buy PS1 games on the cheap, and if you ever got a PS2, you can play the PS1 games on that.

OTOH, my sister has an N64, and when I'm back visiting, MarioKart64 is a family activity.

impact
28th October 2001, 10:53
Then again, out of all the "old" ones, Dreamcast is the best performing one and the N64 probably the worst. The PS-1 is somewhere in the middle. The good thing about N64 is that it has a lot of pretty good games, eventhough its a bit lacking at the speed department, but so does PS-1 with it's shitty graphics. The only bad thing about DC is that Sega isn't making them any more, they only make software now, so should you decide to get one, go and grab it fast before they're all sold out. Otherwise, it's an excellent console, with quite a lot of good games (it even supports online gaming) and very good graphics. Heck, it has more texture memory than PS-2 so the in-game textures have a lot of detail and aren't "washed out" like the PS-2 ones.

Oh yeah, the DC also has Marvel vs Capcom 2, one of the best arcade fighters.

impact
28th October 2001, 11:10
Oh yeah, if your kids like Pokemon, get the N64 - it's the only console with Pokemon games.

DuRaNgO
28th October 2001, 12:24
I agree with Wombat where as you could play the ps1 games on a ps2 IF you think there's a chance you'll actually get a ps2, if not then the gamecube looks very promising ;)
jim

This picture is from Gamecube's picmin (they're attacking!):
http://cubemedia.ign.com/media/e32001/pikmin1.jpg

Wombat
28th October 2001, 12:52
Wow! purdy.

isochar
28th October 2001, 12:59
Child's play. ;)

IGN Screenshot of Dead Or Alive 3:
http://xboxmedia.ign.com/media/news/image/japaneseconference/deadalivethree1.jpg

Liquid Snake
28th October 2001, 14:39
Wow! Almost makes me want to get an X-Box :)

BTW, how do they get screenshots of console games?

Rags
28th October 2001, 14:44
I would like to see true screenshots of live gaming action, not movie mode scenes....

Rags

DuRaNgO
28th October 2001, 14:46
http://cubemedia.ign.com/media/previews/image/soulcalibur2/soulcal2game5.jpg
this is from a game :)

isochar
28th October 2001, 16:39
Originally posted by Rags
I would like to see true screenshots of live gaming action, not movie mode scenes....

Rags

That *is* ingame! Head over here and take a look at the Beta 2 Japanese demo conference:

http://xboxmovies.ign.com/media/previews/video/doa3/doastage1.mov
http://xboxmovies.ign.com/media/previews/video/doa3/doastage2.mov
http://xboxmovies.ign.com/media/previews/video/doa3/doastage3.mov
http://xboxmovies.ign.com/media/previews/video/doa3/doastage4.mov
http://xboxmovies.ign.com/media/previews/video/doa3/doastage5.mov

The X-box ownz Gamecube & the PS2 in the Eye Candy department. As long as Microsoft can get developers to turn out lots of top notch games like DOA3 and Halo (which have game of the year written all over them), it'll be the console to get.

Here's Project Gotham Racing:
http://xboxmedia.ign.com/media/previews/image/projectgotham/bg8.jpg

Halo:
http://xboxmedia.ign.com/media/previews/image/halo/halotgs9.jpg

Rags
28th October 2001, 16:54
Originally posted by isochar


That *is* ingame! Head over here and take a look at the Beta 2 Japanese demo conference:

http://xboxmovies.ign.com/media/previews/video/doa3/doastage1.mov
http://xboxmovies.ign.com/media/previews/video/doa3/doastage2.mov
http://xboxmovies.ign.com/media/previews/video/doa3/doastage3.mov
http://xboxmovies.ign.com/media/previews/video/doa3/doastage4.mov
http://xboxmovies.ign.com/media/previews/video/doa3/doastage5.mov

The X-box ownz Gamecube & the PS2 in the Eye Candy department. As long as Microsoft can get developers to turn out lots of top notch games like DOA3 and Halo (which have game of the year written all over them), it'll be the console to get.

Here's Project Gotham Racing:
http://xboxmedia.ign.com/media/previews/image/projectgotham/bg8.jpg

Halo:
http://xboxmedia.ign.com/media/previews/image/halo/halotgs9.jpg
That pic you posted wasn't a live action in game screen. It was a higher resolution setup movie screen.

The movies you posted are more like what I expected, looks good still, but nothing like your first shot.

The other shots you just posted in your edit also look good, but again are not like the movies they use in their opening scenes and the high resolution pre rendered end scenes.....getting good though :)

Rags

isochar
28th October 2001, 16:57
Those were still Beta stage screenshots. The rumor from the Taiwanese that played the DOA3 arcade demos is that ingame will look like that.

Can't wait to get my Xbox connected to my HDTV with 5.1 DD to go with it. :) :) :)

impact
28th October 2001, 23:31
For DC, X-Box and and GC technical specs and comparisons, look here - http://www.segatech.com

Guru
29th October 2001, 08:41
http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1007-200-7672055.html?tag=lthd

borat
29th October 2001, 08:59
now contrary to the sales figures the PS2 is the biggest pile of rubbish ever turned out. it cannot boast any decent games which cannot be found on systems elsewhere and the graphics are no better than the dreamcast. If you have the money get an XBOX it will be the best next gen console, however it is not aimed at kids. the gamecube is the best choice for kids but its a bit pricey.
at present the best console out there is the dreamcast as it has a back catalogue of top quality titles(project gotham pictured above is an xbox rehash of MSR on the dreamcast). beware however that production of the console is stopping at the end of the year and fewer places are stocking the hardware and software. games to look out for are MSR, Sonic adventure 1 and 2, virtua tennis 1 and 2, shenmue, jet set or jet grind radio, soul calibre 1 and 2, phantasy star online 1 and version 2 add on, quake 3, unreal tournament. there is pleanty of choice for both you and the kids there. dont buy a PS1 as they are now very dated. N64 is a real possibility as its great for the kids. for my money the choice is between the dreamcast and the N64 but as the dreamcast has a huge back catalogue of varied games i would plump for that although the N64 has more kids games.

spoogenet
29th October 2001, 09:55
now contrary to the sales figures the PS2 is the biggest pile of rubbish ever turned out. it cannot boast any decent games which cannot be found on systems elsewhere....


Can't boast any decent games? Well that is entirely subjective and depends on your taste in games. Can you say Gran Turismo 3? I knew you could. I'm going to buy one just to get that game.

Each gaming console has at least a few very good games that you won't be able to get anywhere else. If you're not into certain types of games, though, then maybe you won't think the games are good....

I'd say the N64 has 007 and Perfect Dark going for it, not to mention the Pokemon routine if that's your thing.

The PS2 has the Gran Turismo series of games available, for starters. And I hear Madden football is supposed to be the best, although I'm not a football fan.

Haven't played enough Dreamcast to say anything about it other than the graphics look pretty decent.

For kids, though, I'd really consider something such as a GBA or Gamebody. Not sure how the kids are these days, but I loved taking my Gameboy with me on trips, etc. I didn't have a console at home, although some of my friends did. I'd think that kids would still like to take their games with them.......

b

Gurm
29th October 2001, 10:28
PS2 is a crock. It's been out for well over a year, and there are JUST NOW starting to be games worth playing on it.

My friends were all "ooh, ahh, you must see this!".

Summoner? Can you say "Baldur's Gate was good, this is shit!"?

Fighting Games? Sorry, Sega just wins there, hands down, all the time. Always have, probably always will...

Sports Games? Well, y'all should know by know how much I _****ING_HATE_ sports, so that's a non-issue.

Shooters? Nothing really good yet.

Platformers? Uh-uh.

And now, a year later... the same damn thing. Final Fantasy X is coming, which might actually prompt me to BUY one of these overpriced pieces of junk. In the meantime... I have my PC, and my backlog of PS1 RPG's to go through.

- Gurm

impact
29th October 2001, 11:02
GT3 is the only excellent PS2 game that is available now. However, I don't think you can justify buying a PS2 just because you like one game.

Jammrock
29th October 2001, 11:16
NOT TRUE!!! There is now a second game on the PS2 that is AWESOME!!!

Devil May Cry (www.devilmaycry.com)

That game is all about being cool =)

Plus all the Final Fantasy games come out for the PC now. At least 7 and 8 did, never checked for 9, but I think I saw it.

Jammrock

borat
29th October 2001, 13:28
yes GT3 is a very good , in fact exellent game. but it is basically a poor extention of GT2 on the PS1 which is why some call it GT2.5. it has better graphics but fewer cars and after completing 1 and 2 it gets a bit boring. in any case you can get a bllem conversion of gt2 on the dreamcast with better graphics than the ps1 if thats your thing.
personally i own a ps1 and a dreamcast. i bought a ps2 and took it back after a week because the only game worth considering it for was gt3 which i was bored of in a week.
the dreamcast has about 20 must have titles which i can list if you want and is dirt cheap and the graphics are pretty much the same as the dreamcast.
i will save my money for an xbox in march next year(we have to wait till then in england) by which time the ps2 will be suffering a lingering death.
back to the subject of what console to buy the kids i'd say for kids only a N64 but for kids/teenagers/adults a dreamcast.

borat
29th October 2001, 13:48
its all very good talking about games which will come out in the future but not much good for a disgruntled gamer who has just spent a whole lot on a console and has hardly any good games to play only to find that in 6 months developers are abandoning his console because it is a bitch to develope for and is underpowered compared to the compitition. this leaves you with a rather expensive silicon doorstop!
but hey it can play dvd's out of focus like no other dvd player on earth so it musy be worth it!

spoogenet
29th October 2001, 13:58
The people I've talked with about the PS2 DVD basically all say the same thing....it works, and it's decent, but a regular player is better. Having not watched a DVD on it myself, I couldn't say.

I can't justify buying a PS2 just because I like one game...but who said anything about ME buying one? I might get one bought for me, though. :D

On the other hand, I never get tired of racing games. See, I don't play the computer much....that gets real boring real fast, I prefer to play against others which is always entertaining regardless of the game.

If they go down in price I'd consider buying one myself.....

b

Gurm
29th October 2001, 14:35
I'm given to understand that DVD's played back on nVidia cards look similarly poor, just so you don't feel alone.

- Gurm

isochar
29th October 2001, 20:17
Thought you guys might find this interesting, rumor has it that Sega is helping Microsoft develop the online gaming network! :)