I'm reading Koran to try and understand where these people are coming from. I know one thing I'm going to have a lot of questions by the time I'm finnished.
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It's got both actually. However I can't read Arabic so I have to read the English translation.
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Although I think that what you are doing is commendable, I dont believe the problems are due to the Koran and or Islam. Its just easy to wrap them up in the Islamic cause to ferment hostility against the west. Although there are issues that need to be addressesd in the middle-east, killing innocents isnt the way to do it. This sort of behaviour serves no-one except the extremists (on both sides).
As an aside, reporter Robert Fisk was on BBC this morning and he has met Bin-Laden 3 times. He genuinely believes that this mans aim is to topple the (corrupt) Saudi royal family and not necessarilly the west. Believe what you will.
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Trying to figure out Islamic Fundamentalism by reading the Q'uran is like trying to figure out Ethnic Cleansing policies or the Inquisition by reading the Bible: an exercise in futility and frustration.
Both books contain things in parable and metaphor that some interpert way too literally, usually for political, social or financial gain.
None of those motives have anything ligitimate to do with ones relationship with God.
Dr. MordridLast edited by Dr Mordrid; 14 October 2001, 10:02.Dr. Mordrid
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TP,
First, I applaud you for trying to educate yourself on an unfamiliar subject.
Call your local university, and see if there is an Islamic Studies department. They can probably help you find out a little more than just by reading the Qur'an. I have two (one partial) translations of the Qur'an, and they are radically different in some places.Gigabyte P35-DS3L with a Q6600, 2GB Kingston HyperX (after *3* bad pairs of Crucial Ballistix 1066), Galaxy 8800GT 512MB, SB X-Fi, some drives, and a Dell 2005fpw. Running WinXP.
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He genuinely believes that this mans aim is to topple the (corrupt) Saudi royal family and not necessarilly the west. Believe what you will.
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Wombat you're quite right about the translations and people will put their own feel on the subject. Rumour has it that the oldest example of the Quran found shows signs of being tampered with and rewritten in parts something thats not allowed to happen.
I'm not reading this expecting to find exactly why Islamic extremists do what they do. It's an exercise to gain knowledge of something I'm totally unfamiler with.
I'm working at a University so finding a course shoudn't be too difficult although night school maybe better.
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Rumour has it that the oldest example of the Quran found shows signs of being tampered with and rewritten in parts something thats not allowed to happen.
JoelLibertarian is still the way to go if we truly want a real change.
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Thats where I got it from you posted me the link.
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Watching the BBC Panarama last night the Muslims said they found the Bushes and Blair speeches offensive. Is this because they mentioned the word Muslim extremists and soon as you attach the word muslim to anything you mean them all even though Blair said the majority are peace loving?
By the way the Muslims on the program thought it was a Holy war being raged.
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TP, a course would be a good idea, but I bet you'd still gain a lot just from visiting a professor during their office hours.
As for this being a holy war, one thing that is difficult for most Westerners (including myself) is that Islamic cultures usually don't have a secular government. There is none "separation of church and state" that I value so much. It's not the "wrong" way to do things, but it's different enough that I can't really understand how they feel.Gigabyte P35-DS3L with a Q6600, 2GB Kingston HyperX (after *3* bad pairs of Crucial Ballistix 1066), Galaxy 8800GT 512MB, SB X-Fi, some drives, and a Dell 2005fpw. Running WinXP.
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We just seem to have a society within a society here. The inclining I got from the pananroma program was that they're slightly paranoid and that we don't understand them. Yet they shouldn't try and understand us. I heard the Blair speech and to be honest I couldn't see anything offensive about it.
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