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Seaspray
21st August 2000, 06:30
I just discovered MURC recently and reading about SETI@MURC I was persuaded to try it.

I have completed 5 data units so far, average over 10 hours each. In fact most have taken over 12 hours but 1 completed in 7 hours for some reason.

Judging by what I have read I was expecting to be much quicker than this - around 6 or 7 hours.

Does anyone have any tips?

Thanks

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Pace
21st August 2000, 07:03
First of all welcome!

I am working with Guru at the moment to get a Seti guide up on my site for all MURCers but try checking this <a href="http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/Forum12/HTML/000203.html">thread</a>.

Let us know what operating system you are using and what Seti client you are using. There is a graphical version which in some cases is faster but on the whole, most people find the commandline version faster (text-only).

Level 2 cache also has a big impact - a 1MB cache is highly desirable (as the Seti stuff can fit in 1Mb) and it's size more than speed that counts (well up to 1Mb anyway)

You might want to try upping the CAS on your RAM (from 3 to 2 in the BIOS) and other little tweaks here and there - mentioned in previous threads.

As I say - the optimisation guide should be up soon (how soon Guru? http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/wink.gif) but you can read back old threads or run a search.

Stick with us and we'll get you boosted!

Paul.

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Seaspray
21st August 2000, 08:11
First of all, thanks for the welcome and the reply.

I did read the other thread, honest! I was unsure whether to post a reply in there or start a new thread but I think I have tried everything in the other thread.

FSB is 133Mhz, all shadowing / cacheing is disabled in BIOS. I have tried setting my CAS latency to 2 but this causes my system to become unstable. My RAM is generic (unbranded) and only rated at CAS 3 for 133 MHz (see also my post in the general hardware forum). I know I need some new RAM but that will have to wait until after payday! The processor is a coppermine so I assume the L2 latency is set to 0, how can I check this?

I am running Win98 v4.10.1998. Graphical? SETI version 2.04. How do I get / use the CLI version? Didn't I see somowhere someone said this doesn't work with Win98? Will I keep the work I have already done if I change version?

By upping cache do you mean processor cache? If so I can't change this without changing the processor? I read somewhere about 'cacheing' improving the performance of SETI. Is there some way to enable cacheing in system RAM through software?

Once again, thanks for all the tips!

I am off to 'join up' now.

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Pace
21st August 2000, 09:28
You'll keep your units when you change version.

My comment about the processor cache was just a general one - sorry! I know you can't upgrade the L2 cache but 256K cache holds back the CuMine's a little.

The caching I think you are referring to is a work unit cache - this means you can have multiple units all ready to be (batch) processed. So you can leave your machine for a day, come back and then upload, say, 3 units at a time. This also helps when the Seti server is down so you can still be processing units until the cache runs out. I use a weeks supply (15 units) on my P2-350 and upload almost every day (meaning I've always got 4-5 days to work on).

Once again, I'll have a batch installer on my site which will create the cache and process.bat and send.bat files for you. In the meantime you can try out the commandline version from <a href="ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/pub/setiathome/setiathome-2.4.i386-winnt-cmdline.exe">here</a> or go to the 'Files>Other' section on my site and download an appropriate cache installer.

Instructions for Seti@Pace installer are:
1. Download cache##.exe
2. Run it.
3. Delete the user_info.sah (unless you want to crunch units for me http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/smile.gif)
4. Run create##.bat
5. Then send##.bat
6. Then run crunch##.bat to process units and use the send file every time your on the net.

Again, I plan to upload versions of this that don't default to my MURC account once I get FTP up and running.

I've yet to test this in Windows 98 but if you understand the batches you can edit them slightly (as I think the change dir statements don't work in 9x).

Mirrors for the commandline are <a href="http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/unix.html">here</a> - use i386-winnt-cmdline.exe

To find out where you are in the MURC team then Ees (Martin) runs the <a href="http://seti.matroxusers.com">stats page</a>. Only ranks 1-300 are given but it shouldn't take long for you to hit 300th place (~40 units). Here are ranks <a href="http://seti.matroxusers.com/cgi-bin/murc?days=7&low=295&high=300&order=rank">295-300</a> and you can click for a performance graph too. We've got Ees to thank for all that and he posts stats in here too (as you might see from the other threads).

Paul.

Guru
21st August 2000, 12:32
Pace the guide will be ready tonight! http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/smile.gif

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Pace
21st August 2000, 12:51
Ok Guru http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/biggrin.gif!

And have you seen TAs site? I've not looked around too much but it looks pretty helpful. Maybe we could get something similar going... http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/biggrin.gif

Paul.

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Guru
21st August 2000, 14:11
Originally posted by Pace:

And have you seen TAs site? I've not looked around too much but it looks pretty helpful. Maybe we could get something similar going... http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/biggrin.gif

Paul.



Do you mean this? http://hobbitt.worldkey.net/~seti
I think we can do better than that! http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/smile.gif
Oh btw check your mail! http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/wink.gif

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Pace
21st August 2000, 14:54
Yea - got it Guru!

Must we compete with TA in the website department too? Oh well... http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/wink.gif My sig has had a slight update and I'll get the guide up soon.

I'm actually excited about getting all this together, hehe, mmm, childish competition!

Paul.

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Sisyfos
21st August 2000, 15:05
Pace: Martin has extended the stats to include all members.

Seaspray: Welcome to our fabulous team. With which name did you join?
As a reference my main computer P3 750@1005 is doing WUs in ~4h.30m pretty consistently with CLi client 2.4. My second P3 650@806 is crunching at ~5h.30m. These times are with nothing but CLi taking valuable CPU cycles.

Kim

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Pace
21st August 2000, 15:08
Ok, thanks Kim.

Paul.

PS: I'm replying quickly at the moment!

Guru
21st August 2000, 15:12
Sisyfos! Try the 2.70 Beta it will lower your times by 1-2h!

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Pace
21st August 2000, 15:15
Where do you get the 2.70 beta?

Paul.

Guru
21st August 2000, 15:24
http://www.riddlermarc.freeuk.com/setiathome_win_2_70.exe

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Pace
21st August 2000, 15:27
Ta.

Ees
22nd August 2000, 00:00
Pace & Guru,

I don't know how keen you are on hosting the tips page on your own site, but I think it would be great to host it on seti.matroxusers.com.

Of course, you and Guru would get full credit, and I could even make a link back to your page.

I just think it would be nice to have all information on seti@murc in one spot. Some of the other teams have great homepages, but since the information tends to be scattered around, I don't really visit them that often. If you want, we could try to avoid that.

If you don't want this, would it be okay if I make a link in the top navigation bar, and display your tips page in the lower frame?

Martin

MegaManX4
22nd August 2000, 05:33
Ees, you have a good point there. Would like to have it on seti.matroxusers.com.

Mega

Guru
22nd August 2000, 05:38
Well it's realy up to Pace! Check his site HERE (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/paul.mccarroll/hosted/seti/)!

Guru

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[This message has been edited by Guru (edited 22 August 2000).]

Seaspray
22nd August 2000, 05:54
Ok I have joined the team and I am currently ranked 424th!! (User name Jon). I can't remember exactly when I started but I think it was last week sometime.

I have downloaded the CLI version 2.4.i386-winnt-cmdline and I will try it later when I have more time. The file name says winnt does it work on Win98?

Thanks for all the tips.

Jon


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Sisyfos
22nd August 2000, 06:09
Yes, it works in Win98.

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Pace
22nd August 2000, 16:03
I'm in the process of putting up the guide at the moment - I was planning to make a fairly comprehensive site so have it within a frameset may not be the best idea.

It's all to help the team though so if you guys would rather it was on seti.mu then sure - Ees could link it in a frame or host it.

If you see what I am doing with the 'Arena' site then scale it down by about half or so and that's what I'd hope for the Seti @ Murc site. Could maybe to with another name for that as well. The page is currently hosted on my personal account space but I do plan to move it to a slightly better domain name.

Which brings me to another point - what kind of restrictions are placed on your server Martin - with regards to space, traffic etc.

And we could also do with Ant updating the Seti intro page - he is still linking to the old site (casema).

Paul.

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Assimilator1
26th August 2000, 16:36
Guru

Thanks for the plug http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/wink.gif

Anyone who wants to join Team Anandtech check out the link in Guru's post http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/biggrin.gif

hehe

BTW ,I look forward to comparing our sites http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/smile.gif

Guru
26th August 2000, 17:08
Hey Ass it was ment as an insult! http://smilecwm.tripod.com/net6/thefinger_red.gif Team Analtech will fall http://smilecwm.tripod.com/net7/icon_smile_lachuh.gif and I challenge you ASS immilator!!!! Lets see who makes the 2k mark first! http://smilecwm.tripod.com/dvv/boid.gif Your ASS belongs to me! This is what you will look like after my computers are done with you! http://smilecwm.tripod.com/net6/overclocking.gif
Guru http://smilecwm.tripod.com/net7/7.gif

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[This message has been edited by Guru (edited 27 August 2000).]

Assimilator1
31st August 2000, 10:57
'scuse the delay ,been busy doing daily team stats ,talking of which.........

I've got 1645 WU's & I am doing about 13-15 WU's per day at the moment.
I see you have 1705 Wu's ,do you think you can keep ahead? http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/wink.gif ,or are you a brief spurter Murcer? http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/wink.gif hehe

Guru
31st August 2000, 11:51
20-25 WU's a day! We had the same amount (allmost)when I posted that!

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Brian R.
31st August 2000, 12:54
I can beat assimilator to 2000. Wanna bet?

Assimilator1
5th September 2000, 15:39
Not without knowing your output! http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/wink.gif

BTW ,My Cel 550 is now 100% working for me (it was partially working for another team member to give him a boost).
My PII 280 is now temporarily using a PIII 700 @ 787 MHz http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/biggrin.gif

Just checked out your WU total ,hardly fair !:P

Guru

Damn ,your gonna blow me outa the water! http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/wink.gif :P

Guru
7th September 2000, 02:19
Brian is already over 4000 WU's http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/wink.gif

OH BTW CHICKEN!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/smile.gif

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