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Pace
22nd August 2000, 16:18
<a href="http://homepage.ntlworld.com/paul.mccarroll/hosted/seti/">New Seti @ Murc website (Beta 1)</a>

Ok - I've put up a very small site at the moment on my personal space - but was wondering what you's think of having a separate site for the help side of things and Martin's site for the stats? Should they me kept separate, linked closely or merged?

It's an early version yet but post in here what you think of it anyway both relating to the above points as well as the design and content.

Paul.


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Pace
22nd August 2000, 16:41
Some more questions etc.

If this is going to be a big site:
What files do you want? Post links in here - I'll wrap any content you want in my website design - but I don't have much more time after that to do content (as shown from my Arena site).

I'd also like some starter guides for users with alternative OSes - people with access to Unix servers etc could be a good gain but can't set it up. I know a Linux guy who is currently running his P166 for me that had to ask me how to set it up - but I can't offer any more than he probably already knew (ie download client, run client) - so if there's any special install methods for cmdline on unix based OSes etc then that would be helpful.

See the site for more stuff I've followed with ?'s and let me know any ideas or thoughts you have.

Thanks,

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MegaManX4
23rd August 2000, 01:01
hmm, i would like to have it on seti.matroxusers.com. Everything should be on one site to demonstrate that we are a TEAM.

A link to some SETI caches (SetiQ) would be good.
And of course the links to the clients. That would be enough for me.


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Guru
23rd August 2000, 07:20
Pace it's up to you where we should have the site! However I think Ees could change the design of seti.matroxusers.com a litle if we are to put the info there!

Oh BTW Ees how come the stats are down at lest 3 times a day(average over the past 2 weeks)? http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/frown.gif

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Pace
23rd August 2000, 11:43
Yes - although it is ultimately up to me I'd still like to do what's best for the team and see what the team thinks.

I think if we merge them then the stats site could be redesigned yes - so that the stats pages will look similar to my prototype site - or something different again.

Martin? What do you think? I'll say here though that I know nothing about CGI/scripts but I think I could maybe alter the design a little - dropping the table border and switching colour scheme.

Also, how do you generate the graphs for the stats, Martin?

Paul.

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Guru
23rd August 2000, 13:33
Your site does look better than seti.matroxusers.com! And if you two were to come up with a better design I think you should merge your sites together! However if you do we should talk Ant into posting on www.murc.ws (http://www.murc.ws) every time the page is updated!

Guru

Oh BTW check your mail! Ver. 1.2 should be there! J


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Pace
23rd August 2000, 15:30
Ok - it's up to Martin at this point - do you want to merge & redesign the sites? Or maybe a new home page which will include the stats and help/guide side of things (ie moving my prototype to seti.mu and having the stats/guides as content?)

Paul.

Edit: (Forgot to say http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/redface.gif) I was just about to update the page to v1.1 and then I read this! So v1.2 of the optimisation guide is now up - thanks Guru.

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[This message has been edited by Pace (edited 23 August 2000).]

Ees
24th August 2000, 00:27
Pace,

First of all: don't get me wrong. I would fully understand if you just want to host it on your own page. Basically, I'm either too busy or too lazy to do these guides myself, and you are of course free to host it anywhere you want to. I just think that team-wise, it would be nice to have all our stuff in one spot.

That being said...

Redesigning seti.matroxusers is not a problem. I would want to make some small changes to your HTML (setting body-colors after including setimurc.css kind of defies the point of using a style-sheet), but overall, your pages look very nice. The stats-pages are dynamically created from a template, so changing the design should be relatively easy.

And to answer some assorted questions from other threads:
- There is (or at least: should be) plenty of room for new pages. The site is on a shared server, and when I see how little space I use in comparison with some other guys, there should be some room for expansion...
- I dunno about any data transfer limits. Maybe Ant can say more about that?
- I dunno why the site is down so often. Sub-optimal hosting in general?

To summarize: just do whatever *you* want. I'm open to suggestions, but if you want to host it on your own site, that's fine with me.

Martin

Guru
25th August 2000, 14:00
Ees I have just mailed Pace that the forums are back online! and I'm looking forward to his answer!

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Pace
25th August 2000, 14:07
Ok - I'll work some more on the site and see how the site goes - from there we'll see...

As for the code, erm yea, just starting out in CSS...and trying to port the Seti and the Arena site's to CSS but some little things go missing...I'm an usher at a wedding tomorrow...no more excuses left... http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/wink.gif

Paul.

PS: I'll be sure to check my mail soon Guru http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/wink.gif Hehe, I've been here for about 10 mins already!

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Guru
25th August 2000, 14:26
Pace! About that linux guide thing! I't might just be that I'll be able to fix that!
At least for RED-HAT 6.x (single & SMP system)!

EDIT: FIXED LINK http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/smile.gif
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[This message has been edited by Guru (edited 25 August 2000).]

Guru
25th August 2000, 14:34
OK I chaged it back!

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Pace
25th August 2000, 14:34
Keep working on that sig Guru! (see the reply to your test in the other thread http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/wink.gif)

Paul.

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Guru
25th August 2000, 14:40
Well i had a lots of moneey but now I don't have it at aaal I have spent all my moneey to the wiskey and beer and thats why I'm changing my signature here http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/smile.gif

Guru

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Pace
27th August 2000, 15:13
Some more ideas:

Unix/BeOs batches? Can anyone do a beginners guide to getting Seti going in Linux. I feel this would encourage people who have old Pentiums lying about - Linux could offer a fast system for these machines - anyone have comparisons for Win95 and Linux?

Anyone use 3rd party applications for caching and uploading units etc? SetiQueue, SetiSpy? If anyone can submit a guide to using these applications (along with a link to the app) then please send them to me.

What do you think of a benchmark section? We could either submit results or I could do them personally. I don't have access to many machines (certainly not Xeons) and the section would be limited. Result submissions would probably have to be based on a benchmark WU (such as TeamLambchops) and I think we could trust you guys for accurate results. What we'd be looking for is your system crunching the WU.

If anyone wants to elaborate on Guru's guide showing what effect a particular optimisation has made to their system then please send that in to the submission address. There is also a link for feedback - use this for small errors/omissions etc - items which are open to discussion I'd like in the forum.

Submissions | Feedback

Paul.



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Ees
27th August 2000, 23:41
Pace,

I think it might be best if we keep your pages where they are for the time being. You're obviously working on them, so it's just the easiest if you can change & upload whenever you want to. When things have settled down a bit, we can always see if and how we could merge them into seti.matroxusers.com. Does that sound right?

I could write something about crunching on unix/linux. I'll send it to you (or post it here).

Martin

[This message has been edited by Ees (edited 28 August 2000).]

Pace
28th August 2000, 07:26
I was planning to keep it on my space until I think it's worthy anyway! So we'll se about moving it later.

As for the Unix guide - thanks.

And I've read that the 2.x CLI clients are actually faster in Windows 95 than Linux - is this true?

Paul.

Ees
28th August 2000, 07:43
Yes, so it seems.

But the only win9x box I have is my home-machine (it's triple-boot). And somehow, seti deems it necessary to restart my WU's after every other reboot or so. And since Windows reboots are usually "spontaneous", I've removed seti from win9x; too frustrating.

So I can't really check.

Martin

Ant
28th August 2000, 11:48
Hmm I have those spontaneous Windows reboots as well, good job I run Linux for my "serious" PC http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/wink.gif


As far as the server goes the deal with GA is that we have unlimited disk space and bandwidth, well as long as we don't start running warez or porn http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/smile.gif As for the server problems I'm trying to get things sported out. I've been speaking to the GA admin and according to his serever logs for example these froums have not been down this weekend yet as I'm sure you all know they were down for 8 hours Friday/Saturday and 10 hours Sunday/Monday. We are supposed to be moved onto a new server, we'll see how things go then.

[This message has been edited by Ant (edited 28 August 2000).]

Mark F
28th August 2000, 20:15
Bloody useless server logs. Don't give any worthwhile information, and can't burn them to keep warm.

Mark F.

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Ees
29th August 2000, 05:17
Pace,

You should have the Linux-guide in your mailbox.

Martin

Pace
29th August 2000, 07:35
Thanks Martin - it's up.

Let me kwow if my little changes are ok.

Paul.



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Kruse
29th August 2000, 07:36
No spontaneous reboots in my Win98... and yes, I have also found Win98 to be somewhat faster than Linux in the current CLI version.