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cancer
8th May 2000, 07:15
I'm not sure if there are any help groups or counselling for this particular aliment yet but I guess a pseudo scientific name will have to do for now. Its called 'how do I stop tweaking & overclocking my PC'. My god I have this unstoppable urge to stick heat sinks & fans on everything inside that steel beige box (well it was beige but now its been sanded down and has four coats of black spray paint & three coats of clear enamel). Someone stop me please this can't be healthy!
Can you stick small heat sinks on SDRAM modules?...arh.
Is anyone suffering from the same predicament because I would like to start a O/C anonymous group.
We can all sit around drinking coffee and smoking copious amounts of cigarettes and discuss the relative merits of sticking a ATX tower in a refrigerator while submersing an encapsulated cpu in a bucket of liquid nitrogen in an attempt to create zero resistance in the integrated circuits. Even better, we could get in to the fridge with the PC wearing a heavily insulated body suit but just have to tops of our skulls exposed. Then turn the thermostat down to zero Kelvin so our brain would take on superconductor like properties in an effort to anticipate every possible outcome another player on UT might think of and frag their arse before they even have a chance to fire off a round.
Is there any chance of redemption? Are people out there feeling the same way or am I just a lone freak?
Cheers.


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Aopen HX08 full tower case, Asus P3V4X bios 1.04beta, P!!! FC-PGA 550e @733, 160M pc100 sdram, Matrox G400MAX bios 1.4 PDesk 5.52.015, Seagate 28.5G Ultra ATA66 7200rpm HD, Pioneer 103s DVD 6X/32X drive, SB AWE64 Gold ISA sound card, SMC pci ethernet adaptor, Castlewood Orb 2.2G media drive, Nortel 100 cable modem, Mitsubishi 1995 19in monitor, occasionally use dualhead for dvd on a Sony 80cm Wega TV, MS natural keyboard, MS Intellimouse Explorer,
Win98SE 4.10.2222A, DX7a.


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moreau
8th May 2000, 08:03
Consider this the official beginning of the Matrox Users Hardware Addict Support Group.

Hello, my name is Charles, and it has been 11 days since my last upgrade.

I'm glad to have found this group. I've really reached rock bottom. Last week I had to reinstall my operating system for the 173rd time, because I decided to move my os to a separate physical disk from my video cap drive. Not that there were any major problems with the old setup. But I read a FAQ that suggested it, and well, it nagged me incessantly until I made the change.

To make matters worse, I sometimes quit doing real, productive work and reboot my computer, just so I can enter the bios screen and change settings whose Taiwanese translations make their actual function completely mysterious. But, I lay awake at night wondering, just how much speed can I gain by changing the "Super-Mega-CPU-to-DRAM-PRECAS-Charge-Caching" from "USC" to "UCLA"? 0.5%? 1%? I want to know. No, I MUST know.

Truth: I'm currently running my 128MB Crucial 7.5ns memory (part number CT16M64SD75) at CAS 2, when Crucial clearly states it is only rated to CAS 3 at 133MHz FSB! I'm so ashamed, but I just can stop myself. I mean, it's even stable. It's as if my computer is tempting me!

Thanks for listening. I'll just sit here as sob quietly, while others share their stories.

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cancer
8th May 2000, 09:08
Thank-you for your input Charles, it quite a relief that I'm not alone. I feel for your plight as my Windows98SE CD is becoming worn out too. Ah Bios settingsÖ something Iím most familiar with. I understand that need you speak of, that need to find out what this & that does. I had an Ďincidentí (http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/Forum3/HTML/001774.html) with that not too long ago however it was not quite as fortuitous as your adventure.
In my ranting I forgot to introduce myself.
Hi my name is josh and my last upgrade was 2 days ago when I had to pick up my new RAM (Crucial 128MB PC133 SDRAM 7E Cas2 x2) upgrade from the FedEx warehouse because I missed them the day before when they dropped by. I was so anxious to get it in my system (they weren't going to deliver till Monday! bastards!) that I got up early on Saturday especially to drive 120km so I could start o/cing immediately. I ended up o/cing my p3 550e@759 (FSB 138x5.5). Of course I conducted benchmarks before and after the upgrade (SiSoft2000 memory bench before with 160MB generic PC100@100FSB SDRAM: CPU/MEM-270MB/s, FPU/MEM-305MB/s. After with Crucial 256MB PC133@138FSB SDRAM: CPU/MEM-381, FPU/MEM-456).
My last tweak was a couple of hours ago when I realised that there were no holes in the front of my ATX case for the exhaust fan to suck air in through. I feel so ashamed that I didn't have the right tools to complete the job that and I had resort to using my precision screwdriver set (2.4mm flathead screwdriver) to cut the holes in the plastic. It took me quite awhile and now I have blisters on my fingers from the effort. I also noticed that while working I had scratched some of the black paint from my case so I had to 'touch up' the affected areas with a black permanent marker so as not to mar the over all aesthetic beauty of the box. Sniff...
Now Iím not so patiently awaiting the arrival of my Swiftech MC370-3 peltier cooler so I can squeeze some more FSB action out of my system.
And Charles, thank-you for listening, itís only together that we may beat this monsterÖ
Cheers.


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Aopen HX08 full tower case, Asus P3V4X bios 1.04beta, P!!! FC-PGA 550e @733, 160M pc100 sdram, Matrox G400MAX bios 1.4 PDesk 5.52.015, Seagate 28.5G Ultra ATA66 7200rpm HD, Pioneer 103s DVD 6X/32X drive, SB AWE64 Gold ISA sound card, SMC pci ethernet adaptor, Castlewood Orb 2.2G media drive, Nortel 100 cable modem, Mitsubishi 1995 19in monitor, occasionally use dualhead for dvd on a Sony 80cm Wega TV, MS natural keyboard, MS Intellimouse Explorer,
Win98SE 4.10.2222A, DX7a.

MegaManX4
8th May 2000, 09:59
Hi,

Im Thomas,20 Years old, and I'm addicted to hardware Overclocking.
I can't do or think on any other. In fact I just recently overclocked my Casio watch.
If i read something which can make my system faster in any way, i must test it out. I even overclocked my PS/2 Port before.
Also I have an Athlon 650Mhz for some days now, and I couldn't help and bought a GFD Device for it only for letting it run at 750Mhz, more and the core would burn out.
Some time ago I had a backfall and tested the optimum memory Performance settings in the Bios by running a couple of benchmarks every day for 2 weeks. After 3 Weeks I decided to buy another System, the Athlon.

But now I'm strong, I know there are people with the same problems as i have! I'll will NOT test the performance gain of any switch my bios let me set. (The last test runs on my old system give a total performance gain of 2%, wow!)

Thomas, aka Mega

cancer
8th May 2000, 10:18
Thanks again to Mega, you are a tribute to us all. Your strength and determination is an example for all that this disease isn't untreatable.
Oh yeah, you were spot on Paulcs about the memory, I was pleasantly surprised . Maybe Via Apollo 133A boards aren't so bad after all.
Cheers


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Aopen HX08 full tower case, Asus P3V4X bios 1.04beta, P!!! FC-PGA 550e @733, 160M pc100 sdram, Matrox G400MAX bios 1.4 PDesk 5.52.015, Seagate 28.5G Ultra ATA66 7200rpm HD, Pioneer 103s DVD 6X/32X drive, SB AWE64 Gold ISA sound card, SMC pci ethernet adaptor, Castlewood Orb 2.2G media drive, Nortel 100 cable modem, Mitsubishi 1995 19in monitor, occasionally use dualhead for dvd on a Sony 80cm Wega TV, MS natural keyboard, MS Intellimouse Explorer,
Win98SE 4.10.2222A, DX7a.



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Dyre
8th May 2000, 14:46
Hi, my name is Greg and its been 2 days since my last upgrade. Bought a new mouse and motherboard for second machine.

Ive found myself contemplating growing/selling drugs to pay for this horraible habit! I would never use either, my addiction is expensive and harmful enough as it is... dont need to add drugs/alchol to the mix.

Brian R.
8th May 2000, 15:12
Hello, my name is Brian and it has been 7 days since my last upgrade. I have had the misfortune to update enough parts on my main computer so that I could justify (at least in my own mind) a new computer for my 3-year-old daughter from the spare parts. She previously had a Macintosh. I built a PIII 600 for her on a BE6-2 MB so that I could run SETI on another computer. She is now able to run her Winnie the Pooh and Reader Rabbit programs at slightly sub-light speed. My wife is jealous of the new computer and, I'm afraid, request I update her PIII 450. This should provide me with enough spare parts to enable me to build a back-up computer for myself. I'm sorry, I just can't stop. I own a computer supply store and am not showing a profit owing to my removing stock from the back room to upgrade the various computers in my house.

Please help.

ALBPM
8th May 2000, 16:58
Hi I'm Paul, 46 yrs old(you "don't" outgrow this thing)...LOL

I found a temporary cure, my wife and I bought a house. So now all my extra time and money go towards fixing and remodeling the house. My last computer upgrade was a month ago - VGA and Printer switch boxes to share monitors and printer.

I thought I was over this but I just ordered a larger fan and motor for the Swamp Cooler(air conditioner)for our house.

Oh!!No!! Paul's really Nucking Futs now!!! He's overclocking and cooling his house.

Sad but true,
Paul

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cancer
8th May 2000, 17:08
Careful Greg about that path. If you undertake this endeavour youíll just end up with more money to build a second, third or fourth system just so you can crunch more WUs. My god, if you go down that road youíll have to think about proper networking solutions, Internet sharing, terminals in the toilet to surf the net, cooling solutions, a proper sound setup to include all the new PC, new amplifiers & speakers, back up generator and UPS for all the systemsÖthe list just keeps going on & on.
Brian we all sympathise with your situation. I admire your efforts to upgrade your 3 year old daughters' system (keeping in mind your ulterior seti@home motive), however as you are obviously the role model for your daughter, aren't you afraid of passing on this affliction to the next generation?
As Brian has shown us, this powerful addiction can have detrimental effects at home (a wife jealous of her daughterís machine) & at work (cutting into Brianís profit margins so he can get his hardware fix)
Be Strong People!
Cheers.


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Aopen HX08 full tower case, Asus P3V4X bios 1.04beta, P!!! FC-PGA 550e @733, 160M pc100 sdram, Matrox G400MAX bios 1.4 PDesk 5.52.015, Seagate 28.5G Ultra ATA66 7200rpm HD, Pioneer 103s DVD 6X/32X drive, SB AWE64 Gold ISA sound card, SMC pci ethernet adaptor, Castlewood Orb 2.2G media drive, Nortel 100 cable modem, Mitsubishi 1995 19in monitor, occasionally use dualhead for dvd on a Sony 80cm Wega TV, MS natural keyboard, MS Intellimouse Explorer,
Win98SE 4.10.2222A, DX7a.



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DentyCracker
8th May 2000, 17:18
ROTFLMAO
Hi my name is Raefer and I'm an OC addict.
However due to financial constraints my last upgrade was one month ago (Plextor 8x4x32 burner that can copy anything using CloneCD after I updated firmware to 1.07 notwhitstanding that my previous burner died during a firmware update at the hands of a dying keyboard). Being unable to buy new parts has left me in a serious state of OC withdrawal. I'm happy to know there are others like me out there. I find myself suggesting to friends that they upgrade there machines even when totally unnecessary just so I can OC them. Trying to figure out how to OC SoundCards.

cancer
8th May 2000, 17:52
DentyCracker you have illustrated an aspect of this madness we haven't touched on much yet. I'm with you, I can't help advising friends (urge and plead would be better words) to upgrade their CPU, MB, RAM, HD etc. Now my friends generally won't let me near their systems in the fear i might make their system unstable... Ha. What do they know (probably sanity).
Cheers.


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Aopen HX08 full tower case, Asus P3V4X bios 1.04beta, P!!! FC-PGA 550e @733, 160M pc100 sdram, Matrox G400MAX bios 1.4 PDesk 5.52.015, Seagate 28.5G Ultra ATA66 7200rpm HD, Pioneer 103s DVD 6X/32X drive, SB AWE64 Gold ISA sound card, SMC pci ethernet adaptor, Castlewood Orb 2.2G media drive, Nortel 100 cable modem, Mitsubishi 1995 19in monitor, occasionally use dualhead for dvd on a Sony 80cm Wega TV, MS natural keyboard, MS Intellimouse Explorer,
Win98SE 4.10.2222A, DX7a.


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ahartman
8th May 2000, 18:07
HAHAHA Paul! Overclocking your house. You are hopeless!

My name is Andy and it's been 19 hours since my last overclock. I increased my FSB by 3 MHz yesterday.

My previous upgrade was 256M of Cas2 Micron PC133.

I'm now on the verge of buying some really big really fast hard drives to replace my current ones.

I'm sick and need help.

cancer
8th May 2000, 18:12
ahartman, you think about getting a promise66 adapter and turning it into a RAID card? How bout some stripping - double your HD(s) bandwidth...
DOH.
Someone shoot me NOW.

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Aopen HX08 full tower case, Asus P3V4X bios 1.04beta, P!!! FC-PGA 550e @759, 256M PC133 Crucial 7E SDRAM, Matrox G400MAX bios 1.4 PDesk 5.52.015, Seagate 28.5G Ultra ATA66 7200rpm HD, Pioneer 103s DVD 6X/32X drive, SB AWE64 Gold ISA sound card, SMC pci ethernet adaptor, Castlewood Orb 2.2G media drive, Nortel 100 cable modem, Mitsubishi 1995 19in monitor, occasionally use dualhead for dvd on a Sony 80cm Wega TV, MS natural keyboard, MS Intellimouse Explorer,
Win98SE 4.10.2222A, DX7a.

Cmag
8th May 2000, 20:54
Hi, my name is Brett I'm 27 and it's been 3 days since my last upgrade.

3 days ago I upgraded my POS intel heatsink and fan to a Golden Orb. Small upgrade I know, but it is a result of all of the previous upgrades that I've done in the last three weeks. Hmmm, lets see... New ATX case with 250W power supply, PIII 600e (now overclocked to 850), Asus P3VX4 motherboard, 128 megs PC133 ram.

My problem is not so much that I have to have the fastest or the best, but I must have one of everything. My office is litteraly filled with gadgets connected to my computer that I use maybe (and I stess maybe here) once a month. I am currently awaiting my newest addition to the system, a pressure sensitive pen tablet. I can assure you that this purchase wasn't made because of necesity, but simply because I DONT HAVE ONE.

Paul, I will soon know what it's like to have a new house to spend money on rather than my computer. However, since I'm (I'm, meaning my company) building my new condo, I have already been able to start the computer related spending early during the construction phase. Ever get tired of searching for an extra plug? No problem, just add four plug outlets (all on separate circuits of course) right next to where your computer desk will go. Worried about networking to different rooms? No problem, run cat5 cable everywhere! Worried about the furture? No problem, run conduits all over the house so that incase you do ever get that fibre optic backbone installed in your house, you can just pull the lines through to where ever you want them (ok, might be pushing it there). If you really want to talk sick though, listen to this. I have installed some ductwork in the wall right next to where my computer will sit. In the ceiling, I have a 80cfm fan that will be drawing cold air from the outside, and blowing it directly into my computer case. (I live in Edmonton Alberta Canada and in the winter, we can get to about 40 below.) Kryotech, eat your heart out!!!

I know, hard to believe, maybe I'll take some pictures so that you guys can see.

By the way, don't tell my building inspector about the duct work, it's completely agaist code http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/wink.gif

Later,
Cmag

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cancer
9th May 2000, 01:35
Hmmm... Paul & Brett, you two are a bit of a worry. Using ones experience in one field to find solutions/answers in others is not a bad thing & at time can be quite brilliant. However Paul this seems not the case (although we all appreciate your tweaking efforts), because since you cannot access your system while fixing your house you have substituted house remodelling instead. I wonder how this will affect you when you have more time for the PC (probably want to stick a air conditioner in the back of the ATX box)
I understand your need (Brett) to (or the lack there of in older houses) of enough plugs/connectors etc but trying to future proof your house (this must be an oxymoron in the computer industry) is wellÖ Hey if its good enough for Bill Gate (I heard he had gapping holes in the walls of his house for couple of years until plasma screens became available) then its good enough for you.
I know I mentioned Bio over/clocking, but Brett I was kidding. Sticking a blower inside the house while pulling freezing air from outsideÖ, this is insane. You purpose to stick your thermal underwear + various woollen items on every time you need to use the PC? What about condensation working it way onto the ICs. Regardless Iíd love to see photos of this experiment.
Cheers.


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Aopen HX08 full tower case, Asus P3V4X bios 1.04beta, P!!! FC-PGA 550e @759, 256M PC133 Crucial 7E SDRAM, Matrox G400MAX bios 1.4 PDesk 5.52.015, Seagate 28.5G Ultra ATA66 7200rpm HD, Pioneer 103s DVD 6X/32X drive, SB AWE64 Gold ISA sound card, SMC pci ethernet adaptor, Castlewood Orb 2.2G media drive, Nortel 100 cable modem, Mitsubishi 1995 19in monitor, occasionally use dualhead for dvd on a Sony 80cm Wega TV, MS natural keyboard, MS Intellimouse Explorer,
Win98SE 4.10.2222A, DX7a.

Maggi
9th May 2000, 02:02
Well ... now that I'm here ...

My name is ... <FONT SIZE=1> Go Maggi, go ... it's now or never ... your chance of a life time ... admit it ... let it out ... now<FONT SIZE=2>

I can't ... sniff ... http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/frown.gif

But I'll keep trying and a big thanks to Cancer for offering this oppurtunity !

merchant2112
9th May 2000, 03:14
hi my name is noel and im a hardware overclocking addict too. (and a rush fan)

its been about 1 month from my last oc project. (only becuase i looked at my c card statement and thought i spent how much, oh well http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/smile.gif oh im so bad that i know the ups drivers route and i go and find him when i know the stuff is on his truck on a given day. (tracking is so nice.)

my last project was the building of my main rig (hey can you overclock a router? i want to speed up my dsl even faster http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/wink.gif

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Greebe
9th May 2000, 05:43
Well lets see... Hmmm... let it out Mike,,, ehmmm Since 1979 I've been messing around with these things they call computers, and for the last 16 have OC'd them. The latest example was my cooling HORN (LOL, cheese!) for my Max. I'm completely surrounded with just about every OCers dream tool to be found and parts galore. It never fades, is always persistant, continous gotta have MORE effect!

Pauly, wait til you integerate the two! (no, not your wife) LOL http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/wink.gif

ahartman
9th May 2000, 06:11
Greebe,

You're like the drug dealer who hangs outside the Narcotics Anonymous meetings looking for the easy score. We're all here trying to get better and there you are trying to exploit us in our moment of weakness. What we need right now is support, not another easy way out...

As for doing all that stuff to a new HD, luckily I'm not comfortable enough with soldering stuff to get too crazy...

I'm now considering replacing my perfectly good Katmai 550 with a Cu-mine so I can overclock more.

Cancer, you're just mean - announcing your system specs in a meeting of people who are always striving to outdo the Jonses. Why don't you work with Greebe and just hand out peltiers at the door as the rest of us sick bastards leave...

Jammrock
9th May 2000, 06:24
AAAAAAHH!!! Haven't upgraded in...2 months. Loosing...sanity...AAAAAAAAAAAHHH!!!

Jammrock

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Athlon 650, Biostar board, 128 MB PC133 (Crucial), G400 32 MB DH, SB Live! w/ Digital I/O, 10/100 NIC, lots of case fans, etc...

Cmag
9th May 2000, 09:36
Cancer,

You have quite a good point about condensation. However, thanks to the extreme climate I live in, during the winter, there is almost no humidity at all. (Due to the fact that it's so cold here that it freezes solid.) The only humidity that may cause a problem is the humidity of the house itself. If the computer case is sucking air from the outside (humidity free) into the case and them exhausting it into the room, the only place that I could see possibly having condensation form, is on the outside of the case. Now of course the case would basically have to be air tight to prevent the humid room air from entering the case, mixing with the cold air and causing condensation on the inside of the computer. I believe it can be done, but I think I might try it with my old computer first.

Of couse my other option is just to build a small cold room (just big enough for the computer case) that would just circulate air from the outside around the computer. This could easily be properly sealed so that no condensation would form. Hey, I think I like this idea!!!

Later guys, I have to get out to my condo!!!

Cmag

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Consequences smonsequences, as long as Iím rich

cancer
9th May 2000, 11:54
ahartman I must a apologise for my absent mindedness. It just didn't occur to me to not 'click' the Show Signature box. It didn't register, force of habit I guess when writing to the tech forums and not having to write out that bloody long list again and again.
I don't believe I'll be joining Greebe any time soon back to ways of the dark side of the force (I also believe moderation is the key to everything, maybe even sex. Hell I even turned down my girlfriend for a bonk last night... Am I making progress or am I becoming a monk?).
Talk about cruel and unusual punishment, I can just imagine some sadistic bugger posting ads on hardware or even a site for over clocking tips. Well at least it will give us a chance to vent all that pent up frustration (and you all know what Iím talking about boys & girls) on taking turns to flaming em'! Maybe we should have positive reinforcement class were everyone must take a piece of hardware from their main rig and take a hammer to it. Itís a bit blunt (excuse the pun) and I think my eyes are watering from the thought. Oh yeah, you won't be able to cop out on these demonstrations, no 16bit ISA soundcards, 15 year old keyboards, NVidia products (although that might be fun), software modems, old 3 or 5 inch floppy drives etc.
If you are looking for this class its next to the self-flagellation class. Maybe the first piece of hardware we destroy is our graphics cards... what the hell am I saying, Iím gonna go over to my girlfriends house now and relinquish that monk title.
Brett one last thing, SANITY MUST PREVAIL sometime, maybe after you finish your project...
Cheers.

See no signature. I'm learning.


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cancer
9th May 2000, 11:59
Go on Maggi you know you want too. Let it all out and remember denial is always the first step to overcome in any mental illness.
Cheers.

Cmag
9th May 2000, 13:33
You know, it wasn't until I acually got out to my condo to try and figure out how to build this this thing, that I realized exactally how stupid this is getting. I think I need some help!!! I mean come on, 27 years old, and I'm designing my new house AROUND my computer. I think I've lost my mind.

Cmag

PS. You know i'm going to build it anyway right?



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Muad'Dib
9th May 2000, 16:47
SCREW THAT! HOW ABOUT O/C'ING THE UPS MEN!!! http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/smile.gif

Dimitri

ALBPM
9th May 2000, 16:56
No your not Cmag!! I'm overclocking my air conditioner so my overclocked system runs cooler this summer. It's already in the low 90's way down south where I live. I bought this house because of the possibilities with the computer room. It has an outside door just 6 feet away from my system so if I really want to push the overclocking in winter I just roll my system over to the open door(on castors)and out on the back patio.

So Greebe what's this about overclocking Mrs. Darth...LOL
You guys thinks I should start with a pair of Golden Orbs or what??????????

Paul

Cmag
9th May 2000, 17:41
Gee Paul thanks, for a second there I thought I was losing it.

What do think of my possible condensation problems? I was thinking that a sealed cold area for the case was the way to go, but then it just occured to me, how the hell am i going to get access to the disk drives (CDROM, CD-R, etc.) Any thoughts?

Cmag

Realy, this thread doesn't seem to be helping my problem much does it?

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ALBPM
9th May 2000, 19:15
As long as you have good air flow through your case the condensation shouldn't be too much of a problem.

Paul

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P3-700E @ 868MHz, ABIT BE6, 256MB PC100, MILL G400 MAX-32MB on BNC,
Quantum3D Obsidian2 X-24 on D-sub,IBM Deskstars 18GB ATA/66 and 13.5GB ATA/66,
21"Trinitron,SCSI CDR/RW,SCSI ZIP,SB Live!Value,USR Voice Faxmodem Pro(USB Ext),
Epson 1520 printer,Umax1200S scanner,WN98 all in a Addtronics 7896A case
and a (Not so Messy Desk) ;-P

cancer
9th May 2000, 22:28
Cmag you worrying about your drives?
Why don't you think about getting custom made 40pin ide cable (40pin 80wires for ata66) thatís nice and long. You split the wires (groups of 5 or 10 wires) and twist em and cover them with a small diameter flexible cable. Get an old 5 1/4 inch bay cover and cut a hole to fit your new ide cables, run the cable through & connect to MB. Seal the edges around the cable going through the 5inch bay cover. Make yourself a custom box for your assorted 5 & 3 inch drives (i think electrical hobby stores have these pre made). Done, all you need is to finish your cooling box to shove the case into & you drives are accessible. He heÖDOH
Hang on what Iím I doing... not really helping. At least Iím being supportive...
Cheers.


Look, see still no signature. I'm learning.

Greebe
9th May 2000, 22:57
cancer, that's the life of a BB. You gotta be a glutton for punishment to withstand it.
BTW "Luke", use the force! http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/wink.gif

Pauly, is that a swamp "gas" cooler?
I think Mrs. Darth has already seen your golden orbs! (well I'd hope so) LOL


Vent Maggi Vent
Ooooooooooooooommm Ooooooooooooooommm Ooooooooooooooommm

cancer
9th May 2000, 23:30
Greebe not to worry, i have a bit of a sadistic/masochistic streak in me already. I think its necessary when one undertakes the path of pushing the hardware of a system beyond spec...
Cheers.

Cmag
9th May 2000, 23:34
Well, I think I've decided on a solution. Thanks for your input Cancer, but see how you like this idea. I'm going to build a box out of MDF (Medium Density Fibreboard) that fits into a prebuilt hole in the wall. The inside of this box will allow for proper air flow (via duct holes in the sides(one at the top and one at the bottom)), but the front of the box will narrow to about a 1/2" wider than the face plate of my computer. Around this opening, I will glue 1/2 neoprene rubber. When I slide my computer case into the box, the neoprene should seal just around the edges of my computer case right around the face plate. That way, i'll still have access to the the drives, but other than that, the entire computer will look as though it's built right into the wall. Huh, huh, what do guys think about that??

Cmag

P.S. I think I'm getting worse!!!!!
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Cmag
9th May 2000, 23:48
Wait a minute!!!! Brain storm here!! Who needs a computer case at all!!! I mean as long as the frame work is there to hold stuff in place, i don't need to see the computer at all. Since I'm building the walls, why don't I just do what Cancer said with one little exception. I can just build the bays into the wall!!!! When you look at the wall, there will be a couple of drives, some leds, and a power and reset button. The only problem is, what if i decide to add another drive. I guess I'll just have to add a couple bays with face plates for future upgrades.

Holy crap, just read that back and I can't believe what i'm talking about!!!! I mean for gods sakes I'm probably going to have to sell this place one day!!!!

I need some sleep, yeah, some sleep should make everything better.

Cmag

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Consequences smonsequences, as long as Iím rich

cancer
9th May 2000, 23:54
Well Brett I shouldn't really be encouraging you in this endeavour but is sounds good in theory. You may encounter some problems;

With the cables coming from the back of the case.
What if you don't like the position of your desk, its a little difficult to move it very far from your 'in built PC'.
Being a rampant tweaker such as your self, you'll be constantly drooling over new hardware that comes on the market. Having the PC stuck in the wall is going to be a little difficult to add & replace parts to your system.
SANITY MUST PEVAIL PEOPLE! Surely there must be more to life than just pushing the envelope with hardware tweaks? thinking... thinking... thinking... I give up. The first three points were good weren't they?

Cheers.

Cmag
10th May 2000, 07:10
Well, all I really needed was a little sleep. I'm much better now.

I've given a little thought to my project, and the grown-up in me finally kicked in and slapped me square in the face. I've decided to scrap the whole idea! The idea itself would probably work very well, the problem is with the application. Like Cancer said, short of having a "quick release case" where all of the cables in the rear stay in some sort of mounting bracket so that I can pull the computer out of the wall, it's just too much of a pain. Another thing, is that the hole for the computer would have to be about 3' off the ground so that it's not under my desk and out of reach. Speaking about out of reach, every time I wanted to access the disk drives, I would have to stand up and reach over my 3' wide desk. It's just not practical.

Cmag

P.S. I finaly understand how this support group works. Everyone helps to push each other closer to the brink of insanity, snatching them back just before they go over!

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Consequences smonsequences, as long as Iím rich


[This message has been edited by Cmag (edited 10 May 2000).]

YoKoMo [1]
10th May 2000, 08:37
I'll go as far as to say I seriously thought about a Dual PIII 800 with an OR840 intel board with dual channel DRDRAM to get around the latencies. Do I need it? no, Do I really even want it? No. But since Matrox is putting out anything of use to me til probably the end of the year (and I can't wait that long) I figured I should get something. So I opted instead for a 3DCool.Com Toronado 1000 case, Alpha for the FC-PGU coppermine I got and one of those groovie copper shim's so the Alpha stays flat against the processor core. I'm even thinking of switching out my 18.2GB Cheetaz for 36GB Quantum Ultra160 drives.

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PIII 650E at 805Mhz, Waiting for G800, til then Voodoo3 3000, Asus P3B-F (ain't none better!), 384MB PC133 Memory, 2 Seagate 18GB Cheeeeetazzzz.

ahartman
10th May 2000, 09:46
How about a slide-out rack ala audio racks? that way, you can still access everything inside your 'wall computer'.

As for the purpose of this group, I think it's more to push others over the edge to feel better about your own pathetic existence...

BTW, my old 2G hard drive finally died - I think I need to get a new fast, big one to replace it. Do I really need to 20G hard drives? Maybe if I want to install W2k or something.

Is there any reason to have Win2k if you don't need it? What can you do with it you can't do with 98SE?

Oh wait, this probably isn't helping anyone, is it?

cancer
10th May 2000, 12:08
Yes Brett, sleep deprivation does funny things to ones mind... hehe whoha ha... giggle, burp. And very bad for the chronic overclocker in us all.
YoKoMo Iím confused (not unlike everyone here) are you reaching out for help or are you making fun of us sorry individuals?
Ahartman big fast hard drives are fun because you donít have to clean emí as much. I love my big fast HD, I keep filling it with shit and it comes back for more. I havenít defragged for months, partly due to the fact 28.5Gs takes several hours to complete. Thatís time better spent crunching WUs. My HD has four 4k partions, one for Windows (nice a small so windows doesnít make an attempt to take over/infect the rest of my HD with its vileness) and three other equally sized partions (one for games, one for zips and the otherÖI have no idea what I do with that one, I think its empty)
Windows2k has lots of cool stuff but thatís not the point is it. Windows is a big piece of bloatware that consumes huge chunks of resources to tempt our poor susceptible minds that our system is running too slow and that we must spend enormous wads of cash to feed this hungry monster. I think itís a huge big conspiracy between M$ and hardware manufactures like Intel. M$ agrees to produce ravenous beasts and Intel makes hardware just powerful enough to run until of course a revised OS comes out and the process starts all over again. Stand fast my friends and resist the urge for Bill Gates is a horned and hoofed beast and under that bowl haircut of his is the number of the beast.
Excuse me while I get a mop and clean up the mess on my keyboard.
Cheers.