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  • Matrox & Creative Labs = a couple HALF-ASS driver packages!

    This is the ONLY reason I am still running Windows 98 Second Edition. Creative Labs just released Live!Ware for Windows 2000, yet it is a HALF-@SS buggy POS drivers. Same goes with Matrox, they released "final" drivers, yet they're half-@ss POS buggy drivers.
    Why must multimedia driver makers suck so much c*** when it comes to Win2k? Why can't we just get full-on driver packages for Win2k that support EVERYTHING and more than the old POS crashy Windows 98?

    motub: edited for language. "Half-@ss" retained, since it's on the title anyway, and there's nothing I can do about that. Other profanity replaced by IRC abbreviations or workarounds to retain the sense (in both the good and the bad meanings of that).

    Several people are calling for the removal/lockdown of this thread, however I disagree for the moment. Everyone can make a mistake and forget that there might be children/youth reading this... we've all been pd mad at some points.

    And, if you overlook the language, this is a valid Soap Box question.

    So I'll cut the mini a little slack, and we'll see how it goes.

    I would suggest, if he's still around, that his first order of business is to apologize to Livius' daughter and any other children (and their parents) who might have been upset by his foul mouth.

    Learning to use that one brain cell wouldn't hurt, either...

    -- Holly


    [This message has been edited by motub (edited 23 March 2000).]

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  • #2
    This is not an official Matrox support site and your whining is only going to people who cannot do anything about it.

    If you had read some of my posts, you might have had the bright idea to stay away from the dreaded w2k bug for at least 6 months. Let others work out the bugs. Microsoft has an extensive track record of putting out a piece of software that comes chock full of bugs and headaches.

    The hypocrisy at Microsoft is totally amazing too. Microsoft has so brainwashed everybody that we expect bugs to be in software and treat it as normal. However, if there is a bug in hardware, the world comes to an end. How many of you would buy a video card if you KNEW that there were several bugs in it? Yet why do we bend over and drop our drawers to get screwed by Microsoft?

    Writing drivers for windows ain't exactly easy. Perhaps you should apply for a driver programmer job at Microsoft or Matrox? Do something useful instead of whining to the wrong people.

    Do you want to be civilized and give us your system specs and a description of your problem? Perhaps somebody here could help you, but with your current attitude, you are just asking for a bar-b-q.

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    • #3
      <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
      <font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#FF3333">This is a "Family" posting board fool.


      I hope your PC<font size="4"> never</font> works .</font>
      </body>

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      • #4
        Hey, my 6 year old daughter is reading this forum!
        Asus A7V, Duron 600@900, 192MB PC133@100, G200, Guillemot MUSE, etc.

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        • #5
          Do the self appointed hardware apologists actually have any facts to back up their assertion that W2k is buggy?

          Yes. Microsoft had to release a patch to make w2k work with several games. This is just the first of many that will come. Wake up and smell the coffee. Ever since Microsoft has started this "windows" crap, it has always been a kludge that is chock full of bugs.

          So how much slack should we cut the vendors?

          Ideally 0. However, bugs are just accepted as the way of life in software. And because we accept buggy software, there is always going to be a "beta" test period with the "final" OS & drivers. If hardware came with the same licensing agreements as software, effectively "you agree that if this software does not do anything productive for you, you are out of luck", that piece of hardware is not going to sell. But Microsoft has the best marketing department in the world to sell buggy software to a world monopolizing level. And it has harmed consumers.

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          • #6
            Well, I didn't have any troubles installing the G400 drivers on my Win2k machine. Haven't tried LW3 for win2k, yet.

            I read on another forum that you need to unzip the files to the \temp directory and then run setup.exe to get the best results. Just what I heard.

            BTW, Win2k is buggy. There are 63,000 known bugs in the final release version of Win2k. And everyone from ZDNet to CNN has posted that little bit. Hell, they already have pre-service pack 1 HotFixes for Win2k and it has only been out for a month. True it works more stable than the other Windows OS', and has some cool features, but that don't mean it perfect by any standard.

            Jammrock

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            Athlon 650, Biostar board, 128 MB PC133 (Crucial), G400 32 MB DH, SB Live! w/ Digital I/O, 10/100 NIC, lots of case fans, etc...
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            –The Light Fantastic, Terry Pratchett

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            • #7
              Two thoughts:

              1. This thread should be locked and/or removed. Language that offensive is unacceptable. I will be the first to admit to occasionally getting a little carried away and using the odd "s-word" or "c-word". But please let's play nice, ok?

              2. Would you all come off the "Buggy Win2k" wagon? The game patches were a result of bugs in the DirectX 7.x HAL abstraction, NOT THE OS. And they have ABSOLUTELY NO IMPACT on device drivers. The only fix from MS that has had any impact on device drivers so far is the Parallel Port Zip Drive Fix.

              - Gurm

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              If only life were as easy as you
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              • #8
                One thought:
                1. This thread should be locked and/or removed. Language that offensive is unacceptable.
                I go along with that. Also check up on who is behind the IP number and at least send him an email with a link to a Netiquette or a swearless dictionary

                I don't have anything to say about Win2k, as I'm happily fighting Windows98(FE) at the moment

                Jorden.
                Jordâ„¢

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                • #9
                  Uh oh, Gurm, the Defender of all things Microsoft has arrived (somebody has to do it beside the screaming M$ employees at the Win2k launch). Since DirectX 7.x was built into Win2k and it obviously has to be a different custom core, since Win9x is a DOS based OS and Win2k is a NT kernel based OS. Therefore, if DirectX 7.x was buggy, Win2k was buggy.

                  I have to admit that Win2k runs very stabily, and the only troubles I have really had (beside relearning the admin features) is with my #$%!*&% modem. I have been very impressed, especially with the server features. I remember when Win98 came out I had troubles galore, but I still have some minor issues with Win2k.

                  Jammrock
                  “Inside every sane person there’s a madman struggling to get out”
                  –The Light Fantastic, Terry Pratchett

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                  • #10
                    Geez.
                    I go away for one stinkin day, and the torches all come out.


                    At the very least, this belongs in The Soap Box forum...so that's where it's going. Maybe Holly will just put this thread out of it's misery over there...
                    Core2 Duo E7500 2.93, Asus P5Q Pro Turbo, 4gig 1066 DDR2, 1gig Asus ENGTS250, SB X-Fi Gamer ,WD Caviar Black 1tb, Plextor PX-880SA, Dual Samsung 2494s

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                    • #11
                      Hey, uh, Thunderchez?
                      Yet why do we bend over and drop our drawers to get screwed by Microsoft?
                      Speak for yourself buddy ... and that's not a pretty picture, either.... I think I'm going to have to take whoever last said "I'm going to be sick" and say it again. lol

                      Oh and Jorden, I've been meaning to ask you. Windows (FE). Does that stand for Windows funky edition or is it Windows more fu*ked up edition than usual... BTW, did those TR4 codes I sent you work?

                      Dimitri
                      "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: His eyes are closed"
                      --- Albert Einstein


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                      • #12
                        OK, maybe I'm a bit too graphic. We have a zero tolerance stance for bugs in hardware. I myself work for a major semiconductor house, and we go through very rigorous checks to make sure that it works. We still have bugs with first silicon from time to time, but our marketplace demands perfection. Therefore we do not sell buggy hardware, but we fix our products.

                        We should take the same stand with software. We need to demand 0 bugs in our software. We have put up with buggy crap from Microsoft for way too long. Perhaps w2k is a lot better than previous windows, but we should demand 0 bugs.

                        At last year's DAC (the big meeting where all the silicon design software vendors show their stuff), one of Intel's VPs had a big meeting where he tried to tell everybody to change over to winnt machines using intel processors for silicon design. Nearly everybody laughed and left the meeting. Everybody in silicon design knows that for really reliable servers for huge tasks, winnt doesn't cut it.

                        Instead, we use unix machines. One of my favorite command line options to ps (show processes) is "-fe". Do a "ps -fe" to show freakin' everything that is running on the system.

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                        • #13
                          Thundrchez, add up all the logic points, branches, computations etc in w2k, and figure out how many transitors it would take to do the entire OS in silicon. Then try to tell me that any hardware vendor in the world could actually produce such a thing, let alone ensure that it has zero bugs.

                          Silicon contains nowhere near the amount of code that an OS has.

                          Paul

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                          • #14
                            PaulS, that is an apples to oranges comparison. In crude theory you might could argue such a comparison, but it does not go far. When writing a computer program, you do not have to worry about issues such as voltage levels, timing delays, the temperature, parasitic resistors and capacitors, etc. There is a whole lot more to it than just slapping down some transistors for the logic of computer code; it is very complicated stuff that requires a huge amount of design and testing to get it right. Chip design is too complicated for Microsoft OS's to handle. There is not a single major silicon manufacturer that uses Microsoft OS's for chip design. Some EDA vendors have tried porting their tools to winnt, but nobody bought them.

                            The point that I am trying to make is that we must make software companies as accountable to the quality of their product as we do hardware manufacturers. Zero defects is the rule. Zero. Software companies should do extremely extensive testing of their code. If a software manufacturer finds bugs, they should provide the fix to their customers for free, and they should go out of their way to make sure that every one of their customers gets the fix. They must be held accountable.

                            If you do not take the hard line stance that zero bugs is acceptable in software, you might as well be saying that you do not care. Heck, you might as well invite the bugs. Would you care if your keyboard randomly ignored some of your keystrokes? Yes. Why not demand perfect operation of software?

                            Is software really too complicated? It is complicated, but that is no excuse for bugs.

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                            • #15
                              Nice one LAMFDTK, could not have put it better my self!

                              Patrick
                              The Welsh support two teams when it comes to rugby. Wales of course, and anyone else playing England

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