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  • The role of Matrox Hardware

    Well kids, here is what I have to say:

    I'm a loyal Matrox user. I have evangelized them to all my ATI and Nvidia friends, here at work. Actually, I am actually the only person I know (in Euclidean Space, not Cyber Space ) that uses Matrox. To most people, Matrox' 3D capability is still based on the m3d, which is farthest from the truth.

    I play all the games at nice resolutions and frame rates, I tell them. But, alas, they just smirk and look at one another as if they are in on a secret that I couldn't possibly understand.

    But to this day I believe in one undeniable truth: if you want a video card for serious work, with features that enhance your productivity, then Matrox is really the only solution in the consumer market. Sure you can buy $1000+ CAD/Workstation cards, but those are for specialists. The rest of us need quality and intelligent pricing. The only company that is providing that regularly IMHO is Matrox.

    So why did I purchase the video card that you see listed in my signature, under gaming machine? Well, the price finally dropped into the 150 dollar range, and I wanted to move my G400 into my Wkst (to replace my G200, which didn't like my VIA chipset based motherboard as well).

    I've never considered myself a GeForce basher. But, I always laughed at the notion of a $400 gaming-only card. But now they are priced in the sweet spot, 125-150. So, I thought I would give it a try. After all, no one here denies that the GeForce is a card (well, chip, but you get the idea) designed specifically to address the needs of gamers. And my experience thus far has been favorable. I don't know what frame rates I get, as I stopped running timedemos quite a while ago. But what I can tell you is that on my BX mobo, running win98SE with DX8, I installed the following games: HL (+Actionb4 +CS +Science and Industry), Q3A (+Rocket Arena), UT, and Serious Sam in an afternoon and all ran "out of the box". Well, I actually made sure that before I ran them I had all the appropriate patches (1.1.0.6, 1.27G, the second disk for UT+4.26). Moreover, I set them all to run at 1280, 32bit, high quality, and, though I don't know the FPS, they all run just fine.

    My point? Well, now I can tell people from experience what I have always told them from pure commen sense: you buy a card to suit your needs, as there is no one-size-fits-all product. If I only owned one machine, I would choose for myself a card that did most things well, but put an emphasis on quality. To me, that spells Matrox. If I was more oriented to watching DVD's and Games, then I would consider ATI and their Radeon line. Well, actually, I personally would not use an ATI, as I have not been satisfied with their driver support, and I don't feel they can claim the workstation quality that Matrox does. But, I can understand why people, intelligent people, choose ATI based on their product features. Finally, if you play games as a priority, then GeForce is a good solution, though I personally wouldn't pay the amounts they talk about for the newest versions.

    I realize that having a second machine dedicated to gaming is a luxury not everyone can afford. But since I have generated the extra parts to accomplish this, I feel I've made a good decision with my card selections.

    By the way: if you run AutoCAD 2000i, or 3dStudioMax, and you configure it to work with your G400, it really performs well! I finally installed those progies and pointed them to use the OGL ICD in PowerDesk, and I very pleased with how fluid they are. Granted I'm not rendering the Space Shuttle in real time with an accumulation buffer, but for reasonably sized graphics, everything is quite nice.

    So I see the trolls toss out flame bait for us MURCers to jump on. And I think that our frustration with Matrox' lack of information makes up prone to bristle up. But for all the speculation and occasional anger, I for one hope that whatever happens (and whatever names get "fabricated" on the net), the next Matrox offering take the core elements that have made me a Matrox fan and expands on them: quality, compatibility, features, expandibility.

    One last thing: Matrox, do you think you guys could include the feature connectors on future products? Here is what I'm thinking: I loved the fact that the Matrox cards could be purchase piece meal. I bought a G200 largely because I could add the RR to it, and spread the cost out. Moreover, when the G400 came out and supported the RR, it gave me an upgrade path. Now, you folks have indicated a commitment to providing the video feature in your product line, and it would be nice to see future cards available in a two card solution. (just as now we have Marvel or G+RRG, you could have eTV or G+RRe). Moreover, if the new card was compatible with the RR, then I could upgrade my display adapter and keep for now my RR, then upgrade to the e version later.

    In a sense, all you would be doing to abstracting the CODEC from the display adapter, which would open an entire gamut of options. Users could have the flexibility to select their CODEC based on need.

    Thank you for taking the time to read this far.

    Respectfully
    Charles Moreau



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    Gaming System:
    Asus V7700 GeForce2 GTS, Win98SE, PIII 550E @733, Asus P3B-F, 128MB Crucial PC133 CAS3, SBLive Value,WD136BA 7200 2MB,

    Workstation:
    Matrox G400DH 32MB + RR-G, Asus CUV4X-D, PIII 733E, 512MB Crucial PC133 CAS2, Adaptec AHA-29160, IBM 36lzx 9GB, Quantum Atlas 10KII 9GB, Plextor 40Max, Yamaha 8424 SCSI
    System: P4 2.4, 512k 533FSB, Giga-Byte GA-8PE667 Ultra, 1024MB Corsair XMS PC333, Maxtor D740x 60GB, Turtle Beach Santa Cruz, PCPower&Cooling Silencer 400.

    Capture Drives (for now): IBM 36LZX 9.1, Quantum Atlas 10KII 9.1 on Adaptec 29160

  • #2
    Holy Crap! I got a little carried away! It is hard to tell how much you have written, when you type into a tiny little box.

    I think that is bordering on Manifest in length. Sorry about that!

    Here is hoping...

    Charles

    [This message has been edited by moreau (edited 01 May 2001).]
    System: P4 2.4, 512k 533FSB, Giga-Byte GA-8PE667 Ultra, 1024MB Corsair XMS PC333, Maxtor D740x 60GB, Turtle Beach Santa Cruz, PCPower&Cooling Silencer 400.

    Capture Drives (for now): IBM 36LZX 9.1, Quantum Atlas 10KII 9.1 on Adaptec 29160

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    • #3
      I remember when I bought my marvel G400.
      It was for christmass 1999 and I was really happy with it : beautiful games with a good frame rate, excellent video aquisition.
      Now many games are not good working on my computer and I'm waiting for matrox next product combining efficacity with actual games and good aquisition. I can't buy one of these gamer cards, like geforce or kyro II, because I need the video feature.

      So I wait, I know I will wait for a long time but it is the only thing to do.
      Every day I come to this forum to see wat's up but the future goes darker and darker.
      Now I'm sad and don't understand what happens to Matrox.

      This was my little story, with no hope.


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      Celeron 566@850, 256 Mb , Marvel G400,win98
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      • #4
        <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size="2">Originally posted by moreau:

        By the way: if you run AutoCAD 2000i, or 3dStudioMax, and you configure it to work with your G400, it really performs well! I finally installed those progies and pointed them to use the OGL ICD in PowerDesk, and I very pleased with how fluid they are. Granted I'm not rendering the Space Shuttle in real time with an accumulation buffer, but for reasonably sized graphics, everything is quite nice.
        </font>
        hmm... well, perhaps if Matrox got their Win2k drivers up to par, I might be more impressed. My g400MAX really gets bogged down when I do some heavy rendering in Pro Engineer. and I do experience quite a bit of artifacts, and the occasional crash when the graphics get too heavy.

        I think that what you said was great about not having it all, but I think matrox is selling themselves short if they think they cant build a card that fits in the same category as g400 does now, yet performs 200% better in all areas, and costs under $300 bucks(another 250 bucks for a measily 25% increase, which is what we'll probably see in the next card, is silly.)

        Plain and simple. we buy newer cards for better performance. Nobody goes out and spends 250 bucks because their speed is fine, but they just want better clarity. thats moronic.



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        .:880Mhz Deathtrap:.
        • Lite-On FS020 enclosure w/4 120mm Panaflos and soon a 172mm Nidec
        • MSI 694D Pro w/ BIOS 1.6
        • 2x800E cC0 Pentium 3 w/ 2xVolcanoII
        • SyncMAX(NEC) PC166 VCM SDRAM 4x128mb w/ CAS = 1
        • Matrox G400MAX 176/219
        • And other non-important stuff like hard drives and a dvd drive
        • Pineapples
        First Love:
        • Lite-On FS020 enclosure w/4 120mm Panaflos and soon a 172mm Nidec
        • MSI 694D Pro w/ BIOS 1.6
        • 2x800E cC0 Pentium 3 w/ 2xVolcanoII
        • SyncMAX(NEC) PC166 VCM SDRAM 4x128mb w/ CAS = 1
        • nVidia Quadro2 Pro, but Matrox at heart
        • And other non-important stuff like hard drives and a dvd drive
        • Pineapples


        Second Love:
        1990 Toyota Celica GT

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