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WMTJ
18th November 2000, 15:57
Well, after being w/o a TV in my room for 2 months I finally caved and bought an AIW Radeon! Damn, Matrox sure has spoiled me because I sure know high quality when I'm not looking at it. Speed is good though, but not a night and day difference. Watching TV on my 19" moniter is decent enough until I get a HDTV next April or whenever I get my tax refund.

Point. Matrox will get more of my money as soon as I see a similar "AIW" like card with this type of speed!

Come G800.......Come Quickly!


WMTJ

Guru
18th November 2000, 16:11
You know you could have bought a cheap Haupage TV tuner card!

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Don't get even get odd!

WMTJ
18th November 2000, 16:51
I know but I wanted to enjoy my 19" monitor w/ games. Besides, I was getting sick of all the hoopla I've been hearing about frame rates! Well they are not King! I've learned one hell of a lesson!

I will have to give it as much of a chance as I did my faithfull G400. Some tweaking and what not and then I'll see if Radeons are what they're cracked up to be.

WMTJ

Himself
19th November 2000, 10:05
Perhaps it's not the video card, perhaps you need a cpu upgrade.

PC001
19th November 2000, 10:54
@Guru

1 video card + 1 haupage + 1 video compression card = 3 PCI slots gone

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ayoub_ibrahim
19th November 2000, 13:26
quoted from PC001 : "1 video card + 1 haupage + 1 video compression card = 3 PCI slots gone"
does this mean you have a pci G400?

rubank
19th November 2000, 14:31
pc001,

does USB sound familiar to you?

DGhost
19th November 2000, 17:21
The Raedons/All-In-Wonders do hardware compression? Right.....

PC001
20th November 2000, 10:57
- AGP is nothing than a better PCI http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/wink.gif
- USB...for video ?
- the AIW supports realtime video compression

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Indiana
20th November 2000, 12:16
Hmm, I can do full PAL resolution captures (768x576x32@25fps) with realtime compression of the video using the PicVideo software MJPEG codec and simultaneous MP3 compression for the audio on my Hauppauge WinTV - so why would I need HW compression?

xortam
20th November 2000, 12:35
Matrox came to the same conclusion with their latest TV card. Now a couple vendors are about to ship HDTV decoding and capture.

DGhost
20th November 2000, 19:19
the AIW does SOFTWARE video compression. read any review of the cards. look at the specs. does it say anywhere that it does hardware compression? NO!

Also, AGP is an 'expanded' pci, but you cannot use an AGP card in a PCI slot. thus PCI != AGP.

And yes, you can do USB video capture/tv tuning/etc. i wouldn't, but i'm picky.

Wombat
20th November 2000, 22:38
Sorry PC, but AGP is a good bit more than PCI, especially if you're using Matrox products (DiME).

PC001
21st November 2000, 10:41
- PCI/AGP...there was a smily http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/wink.gif
- USB has a little bandwidth problem at full res. 32bit
- MJEPG ? ...if video at all then MPEG 2
- hmmm....software compression...yes, but MPEG 2 - decompression in hw

PC

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DGhost
21st November 2000, 16:21
Didn't say usb was good, but you can and it works fairly well.

MJPEG works fairly well and is not overly processor intensive...

And saying that the Raedon has hardware DVD decoding is like saying that integrated audio on motherboards is up to spec with a $70 sound card. it is hardware assisted, same as all the other video cards on the market, but is still not a hardware DVD decode. Acctually, it is slight better than most video cards on the market, but it is still not a hardware DVD decoder, nor does it compare to one.

I still don't know what the big deal about MPEG2 encoding is. its not like you can take your MPEG2 video, burn it to a DVD-RW and play it in a DVD player. There are other things that have to happen for you to be able to do that. things that cost enough money that i doubt we will be seeing it on the home market. Big thanks go to the DVD consortium for ensuring that you cannot make your own DVD cheaply and easily.

Makes MJPEG look pretty good.

xortam
21st November 2000, 18:13
The HDTV decoder cards process MPEG-2 datastream. Check out the soon to be released Telemann HiPix DTV-200 (http://www.digitalconnection.com/Products/Video/hipix.htm). All you need is a decent antenna, clear path of reception, and a very large disk to record OTA HDTV programming.