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Dionysis
24th April 2000, 13:10
well?

AJ
24th April 2000, 14:05
Somewhere in Canada I think.

-AJ

(sorry, I couldn't resist)

superfly
24th April 2000, 14:11
you just have to know something is very wrong here when of all companies,even ATI will have new cards entering the market well before matrox will have theirs(sigh... http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/frown.gif),in fact they're releasing the specs for the their new cards tonight(exactly 10.30 pm est),i'm telling you the world has gone crazy!!!!....

Jutai
24th April 2000, 14:56
speaking of realease have you seen the preiviews of the Voodoo 5 it's just sad it can hardly hold it's own against the GeForce it doesn't look good for 3dfx at all and i believe Matrox is announcing tommorow the 25th so keep your shorts on and anything from Matrox could beat the tar out of the voodoo 5 at this rate they say their 32 bit color is not even that great 3dfx better get it's drivers goin especially if they expect to sell thier card at $299 i really don't want to rag on them but man they need to get in gear this is not up to par with the next cycle of video cards
-chris k.

Dionysis
24th April 2000, 15:07
What -AJerk...oops sorry.I couldn't resist either

Dyre
24th April 2000, 15:26
Tommarow is going to be a good day.

Keep your pants on for just a lil longer.

superfly
24th April 2000, 16:59
Dyre...is it just me or do you know just a little bit more than you're letting on...????,i know that all the other makers are unveiling their cards tuesday(ati,nvidia) so what's the surprise(pretty please),c'mon throw us a bone here... http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/biggrin.gif

Greebe
24th April 2000, 17:39
Don'tcha feel it wiggle?

jackzod
24th April 2000, 17:46
To Jutai:

These are preview with a BETA board with BETA drivers, the performance at the end will be better than that rest assured.

remember the first reviews of the G400 using Beta drivers, it looks shitty compared to what it has really become, so the same apply to 3Dfx (I'm not a 3Dfx zealot, but give them a break).

AJ
24th April 2000, 18:05
Dionysis, sorry I bent your feelers.

Did you check out: http://www.murc.ws/#Flight Of The Condor

Matrox seems to be caught in an anti-hype field, from which there is no escape.

Sounds like this card will be more of an evolutionary step up from the G400, rather the revolutionary (have to wait for the G800 for a bigger pop). But, maybe Matrox will have a surprise or two up their sleeves. It would be damn funny if the g450 beat the v5 5500 at 32 bits. Of course, its kind of looking like the v4/5 are more evolutionary than revolutionary, so it is possible.

As far as bragging rights go, I imagine that the v5 6000 will smoke everyone (include the consumers who shell out for it!).

Anyway, *all* the big players will be dog and ponying their latest wares at WinHec (which starts tomorrow). What I want to know is when will we see reviews of the new Matrox and ATI cards, the reviews of 3dfx are out and Nvdia's will be out RSN.

-AJ

For me, it's just curiosity, I'll hold on my g400 till the g800 hits the shelves, I hate the poor 2D quality on everyone else's cards.


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Jutai
24th April 2000, 18:48
yeah i hear ya jackzod,
To tell you the truth i really hope the voodoo 5 5500 does much better i like the competition keeps everyone on their toes but even for a beta version the voodoo is way behind the reviews i've seen don't even include the best GeForces on the market and the voodoo keeps up but it should be far ahead. The v5 was codenamed napalm and was slated to go head to head with the GeForce but with technology that was considered standard for other cards last year like 32 bit color and 2kx2k textures they are really playing catch up i hope they have something good in the rampage chipset. Most of the 3dfx supporters have been yelling "frames are king" and with the voodoo 5 5500 they will be crying out for Nvidia or the $599 v5 6000 i just expected better from 3dfx
-Chris k

superfly
24th April 2000, 18:49
Uhhhh....wiggle????,cause you see i know something else that wiggles,but it ain't no videocard!!!!....LOL... http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/biggrin.gif http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/biggrin.gif http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/biggrin.gif http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/biggrin.gif http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/biggrin.gif.

alessandro
25th April 2000, 22:26
I want my G800 NOWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!
OR ELSE:

http://www.losernetwork.com/seandbz/SuperGoku1.jpg

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Himself
26th April 2000, 06:10
Guy needs a haircut. http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/smile.gif

MadCat
26th April 2000, 09:00
What I find most disturbing about the GeForce 2 GTS is they made the exact same mistake they did with the GeForce. All that horespower and only a tiny upgrade on external bandwidth means the cards raw 16-bit performance is astounding, but the 32-bit HQ performance is laughable, sometimes less than 5fps faster than a Voodoo 5. ITs a nice cards, but they need to start putting some research into new bus improvements; anyone whos been following the path of 3d development knows Nvidia's been nursing that same 128-bit external bus since the Riva 128. Being so dependent on new DDR technologies could leave Nvidia burned in the long run. Besides, when the hell is Quad Data Rate SDRAM due out?

If you havnt seen this new gem, you dont have to look far...benchmarks are plastered all over the web, or you can buy your own on Firday http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/smile.gif

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The Rock
26th April 2000, 12:26
www.3dforce.com (http://www.3dforce.com)

Here's a link to links of tons of GeForce 2, Voodoo 5, and ATI Radeon previews. I gathered em all up and stuck em in one place. I just hope Matrox's next-gen offering can compete. From what I've read, the GeForce 2 smokes. It does take a whopping hit in 32-bit color, but even then it's fast as hell.

The Rock

Nuno
26th April 2000, 15:52
Graphic chips raw power is way ahead of video memory technology. DDR was the miracle solution with the GeForce, but now Nvidia raised the bar again, it became again a severe bottleneck.
The most effective solution nowadays is several chips working in paralel with dedicated memory to each one (VSA-100 anyone?), letīs face it.

But I have a feeling Matrox will do a major breaktrought with the 512 bit quadbus/256 bit memory bus DDR SDRAM G800...

superfly
26th April 2000, 16:10
It does seem that bandwith problems seem to hamper the performance at very high resolutions(think 1280*1024 32bit and 1600*1200 32bit)but just like the existing geforce,you'll be able to overclock the memory anyways,i got my DDR running at 340mhz memory speed even though the card is only rated for 300,so i'm thinking that with the memory alredy clocked at 333mhz(DDR)it's likely that the memory can make it as high 380mhz,and not all card makers will ship their Geforce2's with the with the same memory speed,since aparently the ati card will ship with 400mhz DDR memory as standard(5 ns),which means that 400mhz DDR memory is available now...

LAMFDTK
26th April 2000, 17:41
Sharky
"The GeForce2 GTS you're going to need to spend $350+ on for the fastest 3D accelerator on the block. Further down the pipeline expect to see 64MB DDR versions of the GTS selling for a plump $450. So if you've got a TNT2, Voodoo3 or G400, now would probably be a good time to consider the plunge with the GTS. "

Yea sure...

How about this line on his site:
"Matrox is a behind on the 3D scene. "

A Behind??? Bwhahahahahahhaha http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/articles/nvidia_geforce2_gts_guide/27.shtml

isochar
26th April 2000, 18:27
I'd have to agree with Sharky. Matrox is behind the scene. (not "a" =) So is everyone else though. nVidia is calling the shots.

The g400max was a tnt2ultra/V3 stomper. Doesn't really hold it's own against a GeForce, though. The G800 is going to have to put up a good fight against the NV20/Rampage for it to be reviewed well.

Sensei
27th April 2000, 07:10
Matrox better hurry up or they are going to miss their window. The G800 is probably going to be a nice card, but if it has to go head to head with the NV20...oh man. The NV20 is the architecture that is being used in the X-Box. The actual chip that is going into the X-Box is the NV25, but the NV25 is only a spring refresh of the NV20. See where I'm going with this? The NV20 is going to be something else...absolutely amazing. Matrox just needs to hurry the hell up!

Sensei

Adrian
27th April 2000, 07:27
hmm, I think that perhaps other companies are in too much of a hurry to put out cards and make a quick buck. And just Maybe Matrox are wiser.

Afterall, at the moment D3D 7.x only supports the most basic T&L in still geometry, whilst 8 should contain a full implementation.

I would much rather have a real good yearly updat than a semi update every 6 months. I for one won't be getting a Gforce 2 or G450, or any kind of 3DFX card at all in the near future. My opinion of 3DFX is very low, particularly as my main use for video is 3DS MAX at 1280 x 1024 and often in 32bit D3D.

I also use Lightwave which is a bitch, and worse even now that the GL rendering doesn't work at all with the latest drivers. LW5.6 that is.