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Chief
1st February 2000, 10:50
Does anybody know when the new matrox chip (replacing the G400) is going to be released or is likely to be released?

RoGuE
1st February 2000, 10:59
Late Spring/early Summer time I would guess. Are you in a hurry to upgrade? http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/wink.gif

[This message has been edited by RoGuE (edited 01 February 2000).]

Jorden
1st February 2000, 11:02
Four words:

NO, only Matrox knows.

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Btw, why do you want to know??
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And: You want a new Gx00 out every 1/2 month like a Geforce???
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Jorden.

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Got bugs?? Mail Maggi...

RoGuE
1st February 2000, 11:07
LOL, nice one Jorden.

1/2 a month? have n*idia slowed down then http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/biggrin.gif

Jorden
1st February 2000, 11:18
You mean it was every 1/2 a week?? http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/wink.gif

moreau
1st February 2000, 11:43
This may violate my NDA, but I am so excited I can't keep this to myself.

I've been secretely beta testing drivers for Matrox on a prototype board, based on their next chip. They marketing guys haven't named it yet, but intenally it's been using the code name J'Blome.

The final configurations haven't been decided upon, but single and multi-processor units are being planned. My proto board has 16 J'Blome chips. They are .18 micron, and run at 800 MHz. Each chip contains 4MB of full speed L2 cache, to go with 32KB L1 cache.

There are 37 million AlGaAs transistors with gold interconnects on each chip. The number is so high because in addition to texture and lighting, they have included a number of "secret" features, that they will be able to enable in random driver updates, and market it as an entierly new product.

My proto board also has 128 MB of RIMMS. For each processor.

Power consumption is a bit of a problem. Matrox plans to provide an external power solution, to take some burden off the case PS. My proto board has a dongle that connects to an external box, that takes 230V 3-phase and converts it to +12V and +5V DC. The box is rated for 60 Amps in each channel, so it is about a 1000W PS.

The trouble right now is that the graphics acceleration is so far ahead of the CPU, that most of the time the card is waiting for the computer to do game physics calculations. To supplement the computer, my proto board has two Flip-Chip sockets, and a special chipset designed for Matrox my Micron. The idea being that this card will actually off load all game physics to the board, freeing up your computer's processor to run Windows.

As it stands, my protoboard, outfitted with two Coppermine PIII 700's, is turning out 917 fps in Q3A in demo001, but bear in mind these are, like, alpha drivers! Can't wait to see what it'll do when it hits production next week. Oops, I shouldn't have said that.

Later,
Charles

The PIT
1st February 2000, 11:54
Me thinks a little bullshit flying around here.
By the way I've just got G800+ it's a hungry beast eats Voodoo cards and nridia chipsets for breakfast lunch and supper then goes down to the pub and beats up the Bouncers.

Thundrchez
1st February 2000, 11:55
And it produces sooo much heat that you can only run it in Antartica, with the box outside and the case open. http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/smile.gif And even then, it has the nasty side affect of melting the polar ice caps and flooding the world.

All I want to do is 3D gaming at 1600x1200x32 with butt kickingly highly detailed textures. Is that too much to ask? More speed...more power...more polygons...more fill rate!!! Bwwahaahahaahahhah!

Matrox's product rollout is not as often as others, like nVidia, but when they come out, they're worth it. Seeing that I got my G400 7 months ago, they've probably got their next generation part taped out, sampled, and on prototype boards. Give them another few months to develop drivers and QA the thing, and then ramp up fabrication.

nosuchluck
1st February 2000, 12:36
strange thing moreau, i have the exact same setup, except i only have one p3 700, and i'm getting 1200 fps in quake 3. sounds like a problem with windows 2k.....

hehehehehehehehehehehe, matrox is gonna kill us for telling everybody about our alpha cards.....

keep it fun!

moreau
1st February 2000, 13:04
Thundrchez: I'm no EE, but i didn't think they still used tape... !).

nosuchluck: my problem is, my Asus P3B is all filled up with PCI Raid Controllers. I had to put my SBLIve in PCI-1, so it's sharing an interrupt with the J'Blome card. I'll have to see if I can do better...

Maniac
1st February 2000, 15:44
Moreau that was too much! LOL

andrei
1st February 2000, 15:54
http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/icons/icon2.gif For who's sick of Matrox's g400

http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/reviews/video/gigabyte_g400/i.gif



[This message has been edited by andrei (edited 01 February 2000).]

Thundrchez
1st February 2000, 18:21
moreau:

tape-out = semiconductor speak for finish the chip design and send the data to the reticle manufacturers. OK, I can't make a sentence without using technical terms. In the old days, we used to send them the data on tape. Nowadays we use the internet and ftp it directly to them. Regardless, we still make an 8mm tape backup of the design for our own archives.

reticle = a mask used in semiconductor fabrication. Once you get the reticles for all of the layers in the design, you give them to the fab and they make the part.

Wombat
1st February 2000, 20:31
Well Thunder, you're not quite as antiquated as some of my professors.
For them, taping out was when they applied the tape to form the dies for etching http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/smile.gif

Thundrchez
1st February 2000, 21:25
Compared to some of the guys at the office, I'm the new kid on the block. They've given history lessons about how back in the ol' days they got out their xacto knives and were just a cutting away. We've still got some of those tucked in a corner.

Wombat
1st February 2000, 22:19
You guys have it all wrong!!

The truth is, I developed Matrox's newest chip, with help from, uh, nobody! Yeah, that's the ticket. I did it all by myself.
I fabbed them myself, using bifocals and a waffle iron. I purified the GaAs too. I floated out the impurities, using a 12V hobby battery and the heater coil from my wife's hair dryer. Yeah... and then I made love to my beautiful wife, Morgan Fairchild, yeah...

And that's the way it happened.

Paddy
2nd February 2000, 09:11
Oh dear.....

moreau
2nd February 2000, 10:40
BTW, the full code name of the new chip is
Heywood J'Blome. http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/wink.gif

Ghydda
2nd February 2000, 12:29
Hi guys

Not that I would add to the confusion regarding Matrox's next move in this so hyped up race between the parties involved.
BUT... I've recieved a news-magazine supplied to resellers only, which state that the officiel Danish importer of Matrox products expect Matrox to demonstrate/annunce a new card called the G460. I can scan the page tomorrow if it is of any interest so you all can see this for your self.

Ghydda - not bullshitting this time. Honestly!

Maggi
3rd February 2000, 04:57
Cool, Ghydda !!!

Go ahead, show us that pic ... http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/smile.gif

Mark F
3rd February 2000, 06:17
Hey Goc,
Don't forget the G250. Yes, it's real, not a retail product, but a bulk product.
Just had to confuse things further, didn't I.

Mark F.


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OH NO, my retractable cup holder swallowed a CD

Goc
3rd February 2000, 17:23
Cheeeez... Now it's G460, huh? I kinda lost track of the numbers by now! G100, G200, G400 - now that was OK. Mathematically clean and consistent, but when it started, oh boy!
G500, G600, G450, G460, G800, J'Blome http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/biggrin.gif
Now that's a touch much don't ya all think?

I think Matrox or BB'z could at least give us slobbering Matroxmaniacs a true name of the new chip! http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/wink.gif

P.S.
moreau, ROTFLMAO http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/biggrin.gif http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/biggrin.gif http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/biggrin.gif http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/biggrin.gif

Jorden
3rd February 2000, 17:44
Yes, why not call it G-CJ in honour of Haig's firstborn?? http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/smile.gif

Or would CJolley be losing his olley then as well?? http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/wink.gif

Jord.

Goc
4th February 2000, 02:04
Darn it!!

I've lost it completely...

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Logo on the box of new Matrox board...

Heywood J'Blome!
The competition can only do as told and BLOW!