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**LAMFDTK** · 2 November 1999, 09:45

Look its my own personnal thread! I am talking to my self....again hehe

here is the letter and the resonse from the reviewer...
Every Bench I do with a G400 turns better numbers than your did. You got
> 28 FPS @1024x768 in Q3 HQ with the Turbo Drivers . You are kidding
right???
> If you maybe noticed as of late, 32 bit color is very important. The
> Geforce is pathetic in this area. "still slightly ahead of with current
> generation 3D video cards."
> Ahead of what?
> You are not even using a G400 MAX. Was the G400 a 16meg or 32? You are
> still compelled to give this 275.00 card a 9/10!! Your review is
> sophomoric. 16bit color is the 3Dfx claim to fame I guess the bloated
> Geforce is now the king! Hail hail. Bias garbage.

First of all, a G400 32Mb card was used (now explicitely stated in the
review). I would have liked to use the G400 MAX but unfortunately at the
time of the review, we didn't have one available for testing. I apologize if
the G400 benchmarks seemed misleading. They were intended more as general
comparison benchmarks than a direct one-to-one, GeForce-G400 card
comparison.

> In fact, I can't seem to figure out why the GeForce 256 performed so
> poorly in 3DMark '99 MAX, since it easily beat the TNT2 Ultra and G400 in
> all other benchmarks. "

For the record, this comment was referring to 16-bit color, an area where
the GeForce did actually win all benchmarks (except 3DMark '99 MAX).

> NVIDIA's rotating demos were designed to show the possibilities and
> hardware requirements of using objects with high triangle counts
> NVIDIA's TreeMark demo simulates a more real-world gaming situation with a
> complex tree model
> You ran Nvidia Benchmarks? WOW what an Un-bias look into the performance
> of Nvidia's hardware... Apple does the same thing .

Unfortunately since there is a lack of available T&L benchmarks, the NVIDIA
benchmarks were used. However, they were used more for a rough synthetic
benchmark with the Experience Demo being used for the brunt of T&L testing.
But thanks for the heads-up on this one, I added a small paragraph on the
benchmark page mentioning that the first two T&L benchmarks should be taken
with a grain of salt.

Thanks for the email. Believe it or not, I do appreciate all feedback,
positive or negative.

Take care,
Michael Brinton
Extreme Hardware (http://www.extremehw.com)
michael@extremehw.com

"A show of a certain amount of honesty
is in any profession or business
the surest way of growing rich."

Jean de La Bruyére - 1688

**LAMFDTK** · 2 November 1999, 09:48

Good work LAMFDTK although you letter is a bit on the childish side. Try to write a little more with proper english. Your Verbage is terrible.

**LAMFDTK** · 2 November 1999, 09:49

This is a terrible post. Again LAMFDTK why do you waste our time?

**LAMFDTK** · 2 November 1999, 09:51

LAMFDTK why don't you go somwhere else with this stupid post? I have had enough of you and your Games. And please stop pushing that web page of yours,,,,
http://members.xoom.com/Trainwrecker

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**LAMFDTK** · 2 November 1999, 09:52

No I am not losing it...........

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**motub** · 2 November 1999, 10:03

I <u>like</u> him, Mommy... he's funny!!!

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Holly

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**SteveC** · 2 November 1999, 10:09

Oh dear, we're losing another to the men in white coats here...

Anyways, thanks for the headsup - what's also interesting are the comparisons with the G400 and the TNT2 Ultra. I never realised the TNT2's image quality was that bad, plus the vanilla G400 32mb beats the TNT2 ULTRA in many cases.

But why was the g400 only tested on the athlon? What happened on the PIII and PII? (Although that might be a good thing!)

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Cheers,
Steve

"The chances of anything coming from Mars, are a million-to-one", he said.

**EchoWars** · 2 November 1999, 10:11

Thought his response was pretty well written...obviously by someone who wants to see the G-Force succeed. If I paid close to $300 for my vid card...I'd dig for the positive too...

Matrox's current 'marketing' scheme, if you can call it that, guarantees that the G400 will have a low profile. Just goes to show...takes research to purchase the best card for the job...

**Scytale** · 2 November 1999, 10:42

Erm yes well, I agree with you LAMFDTK, at least with one or two of you.

**motub** · 2 November 1999, 10:53

But haven't you felt that all GeForce reviews sound that way? As if they really, really want to say the card is great, but just can't quite bring themselves to flatly lie, thus are diasppointed and trying not to show it?

If it had only been one review that sounded that way, that would be one thing... but they ALL do...

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Holly

**Jorden** · 2 November 1999, 11:03

LAMFDTK, at least this is a way to start your own super-thread... I won't participate in this one though to bring it to 500

You do get good monologue skills though

Jorden.

**Guyver** · 2 November 1999, 12:18

There coming to take him away, ha-ha...

There coming to take him away, ha-ha...

There coming to take him away, ha-ha, he-he, ha-ha, he-he... - Uh-oh - looks like someone gave the BIW (boys in white) the wrong address... (Can't remember the song for certain, but I do remember listening to it on the Dr. Demento show on Friday nights at the lake...)

I have to go now, It's bedtime (not at all derived from an Alice Cooper song... )

Guyv

**LAMFDTK** · 2 November 1999, 12:45

They're Coming To Take Me Away, Ha-Haaa! - Napoleon XIV
Check out their Record, Second Coming what Songs!

1. Ode To A Farmer Boy
0 2. The Explorer
0 3. They're Coming To Take Me Away, Ha-Haaa!
0 4. I'm In Love With My Little Red Tricycle
0 5. Photogenic, Schizophrenic You
0 6. Marching Off To Bedlam
0 7. Doin' The Napoleon
0 8. The Place Where The Nuts Hunt The Squirrels
0 9. Let's Cuddle Up In My Security Blanket
10. Goofin' On The Job
11. Bats In My Belfry
12. Dr. Psyche, The Cut-Rate Head-Shrinker
13. I Live In A Split-Level Head
14. I'm Happy They Took You Away, Ha-Haaa!-Josephine..
15. The Nuts On My Family Tree
16. I Owe A Lot To Iowa Pot
17. Can You Dig It?
18. The Song I Wrote For Robert Goulet
19. They're Coming To Get Me Again, Ha-Haaa!
20. It May Appear Ridiculous

Now they don't make records like this anymore...

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**LAMFDTK** · 2 November 1999, 13:30

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