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  • 1024x768 Turbo GL Disapointing REsults as compared to Firing Squads "benchmarks"

    The firing Squad Article is some Major false advertising. I have a p3-450@600mhz, running with 256mb Enhanced pc133 memory, ABit Bx6 REvision 2 mobo, Diamondmax 7200rpm ATA/66 HD



    And i only saw a 10% Frame Rate increase in q3 timedemo 1. I was getting 41.5 FPS at High Quality setting with the res upped to 1024x768, Bilinear Filtering and Dynamic Lights, and Gibs off. With the turbo Drivers I am at 46.5 fps, under the same settings.


    Turning any of those options onwill ower the framerate accordingly. As well as 32 bit z buffer under display properties options will lower the fps by 8 when enabled.


    On another strange note, if i keep all the settings the same, and just drop the resolution to 800x600, i get a 20fps boot to 67 fps. In my limited knoledge of graphic engines, which doesnt make too much sense to me, 30 fps is a huge jump.


    Anyhow, these turbo drivers are really not very helpful at 1024x768, granted an extra 5 fps is nice, its no where near the 30% advertised by Matrox nor those astronomically ridiculous numbers posted by firing squad.
    THeres is no logical explaination for an almost 30fps difference in framerates on identical systems. And accodring to firing Squad, they had everything turned on under high quality at 1024x768to get 72fps.. I wonder sometimes if these people at these web sites just pull numbers out of their arse from time to time.

  • #2
    http://www.anandtech.com/html/review...1042&pagenum=5

    If you follow the link above, to anandtech, i just discovered there that my benchmarks are pretty much inline with what anandtech got on p3-600 test beds. 1024x768 and 800x600 with q3 time demo 1. mid 40's Fps for 1024x768 and mid 60's for 800x600.



    Persoanlly i trust anandtech a bit more then firing squad, and with my own personal benchmarks, it actaullym akes me feel better that thats nothing wrong with my card or system, and that Firing Squad was just way whacked out.

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    • #3
      These where Ants numbers...

      http://www.murc.ws/reviews/turbogl/turbogl.html

      We all knew the main boost was in the lower resolutions. If you relyed on just one review, you didn't do you homework too well.
      (and you will notice on these graphs that there is way more than 30% increase in all of the Q3 tests Ant ran when compared to the "fast beta" ICD...)
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      • #4
        Shadir(sp?)
        How in the heck did you get the EMS HSDRAM PC133 to work at high SFB speed with the BX 6 2.0...I ended up replacing my tired ol BX6 2.0 with a Soyo BA6 +III, cause when I got my 256 megs of HSDRAM the BX6 2.0 wwound't run it about 112 at CAS 3-2-2 (my pc100 ran at 129 at 2-2-2). With the Soyo I am running a P3 450 at 126 (567) at 2-2-2 with 256 of the SDRAM with no probs...I read where the heavy buffering (the 6 buffer chips) of the BX6 2.0 made it not work well with the PC133...even talked to the guys at Enhanced Memory Systems...and they said the same thing...the BX6 2.0 woundn't run the PC133(HSDRAm...other PC133 might work ok...they said)especially at 2-2-2CAS...I swear...I tried everything to get it to work...finally got the Soyo which is know to be really Stable(something the Abit. or at least mine, wasn't)...I applaud you at getting that mobo to work at the high FSB speeds...or maybe you got a real good one!!! I know I was lucky with the PC100 I had, one was NEC Proprietary PC100 and the other was run of the mill, generic...and it ran the 129Mhz at 2-2-2...
        Well, good to hear someone is getting the most from the BX6 2.0!!!
        Enjoy...
        kelin

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        • #5
          I can't figure Thresh's numbers either. Mine are more in line with Anand's and Ant's. I ran Q3-1.08 demo1, all highest settings with sync off and got the following:

          640x480x32 73.1
          800x600x32 58.0
          1024x768x32 37.2

          (P3-500@616, Abit BH6, 128mb, Vanilla G400)

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          • #6
            I don´t know how you guys get numbers so high , here are mine :

            q3demo1 , 32 bit , EVERTHING AT MAXIMUM , even 32 bit z-buffer : 1024*768 ... 25 fps !!!!!!!!
            (PIII540 with g400max and vsync OFF)

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            • #7
              Come on guys.
              It's obviously a typo on Thresh's page.
              All of those tests where 640x480.
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              • #8
                Kelin,

                I actaully never had a problem at all with the memory, this is the first I have heard of it. I Did how ever, install them in the 1st and 3rd dimm slots (2x128 Dimms) as per the MObo book says becuase of the data buffers, its best to stagger 1 and 3 or 2 and 4, if you only have 2 dimms.

                Was yours a 256 mb Dimm or 2 128's? Did you try staggering?

                The ram actaully runs great upto 150mhz, so does the Mobo and Cpu, only thing holding me back is the max, wont operate over 133 mhz, due to the lame 2/3 only agp divider on the bx chipset.

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                • #9
                  shaidar, I dont see why you have trouble overclocking the AGP with your G400. Mine runs stable at 112 FSB with the AGP at 1/1

                  It will boot up at 1/1 at 124, but I dont think my CPU is up to it.
                  Ali

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                  • #10
                    Because they are not idiots like you are Kx30. Even on a lesser CPU I'm getting better scores than you.

                    Joel
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                    • #11
                      Ali,

                      Are you running in agp 1x or 2x mode? I can get the Max to operate at higher Speeds if i disable agp 2x.

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                      • #12
                        Give KX30/deprived/tombman the benefit of the doubt here, I don't think he's lying or doesn't know how to set up his system. He may just have some bad hardware
                        I'm really tired of the flame wars and I smell a major one coming
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                        • #13
                          DentyCracker, Kx30- I get framerates of only 27 FPS with EVERYTHING HIGH (trilinear filtering included)/vsync disabled with the turboGL. Change from trilinear to bilinear, the image looks like it did with all the previous drivers (and everything high, including trilinear), but the framerate jumps to 37-38 FPS at 1024. It looks like the turboGL implements trilinear filtering, while the previous drivers (including the beta truboGL) didn't. So your numbers aren't so far off there, Kx30, no matter what the others get.

                          For the record, I have a G400Max, a P3-450 (at 558), 256 MB CAS2 SDRAM (2-2-2), SbLive!Value, and WD 6.4GB (UDMA 33) hdd.

                          Whoops! Forgot- 16bit z-buffer. This might account for the difference between your framerate and mine, Kx30.
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                          • #14
                            Firing Squad just admitted their error with the 71FPS. It should have been at 640x480, not 1024x768.

                            Another example of "Anything that sounds to good to be true probably is."
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                            • #15
                              Damn! couldn't everybody else change their reviews instead? I kinda like Firing squats scores better
                              jim

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