Quake3 TurboGL vs. ICD benchmarks - groovus!!!

[DrFizix]

Finally got TurboGL working with Q3 (thanks Scytale!) and benched it vs. the ICD. Check my sig for system specs, basically a G400Max on a P3-450 with no overclocking.

32-bit color depth, 32-bit textures, demo1
640x480: 32.5 (ICD), 50.9 (TurboGL)
800x600: 32.1 (ICD), 48.9 (TurboGL)
1024x768: 30.4 (ICD), 35.4 (TurboGL)

32-bit color depth, 32-bit textures, demo2
640x480: 30.9 (ICD), 48.4 (TurboGL)
800x600: 30.7 (ICD), 47.6 (TurboGL)
1024x768: 29.5 (ICD), 34.9 (TurboGL)

16-bit color depth, 16-bit textures, demo1
640x480: 32.2 (ICD), 51.2 (TurboGL)
800x600: 32.4 (ICD), 50.8 (TurboGL)
1024x768: 31.5 (ICD), 44.6 (TurboGL)

16-bit color depth, 16-bit textures, demo2
640x480: 30.7 (ICD), 48.5 (TurboGL)
800x600: 30.7 (ICD), 48.4 (TurboGL)
1024x768: 29.9 (ICD), 44.6 (TurboGL)

As you can see I start to drop fps going to 32-bit at 1024x768, but at resolutions below that it doesn't cost me anything to run at 32-bit vs. 16-bit. 48 fps at 800x600x32? I believe I can manage nicely with that. Outstanding work on the TurboGL, Matrox!




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System specs (well, everyone else is doing it!):

Asus P2B-F motherboard
Pentium III 450, no overclock
G400MAX/32DH, no overclock
192 MB PC100 RAM
SB Live Value
Hauppauge WinTV PCI
ReelMagic Hollywood+
USR 56K ISA
Win98 SE

[DrFizix]

Updated with comparison to Voodoo3 3000!

Recall the benchmarks for the P3-450/G400Max setup listed in my specs:

32-bit color depth, 32-bit textures, demo1
640x480: 32.5 (ICD), 50.9 (TurboGL)
800x600: 32.1 (ICD), 48.9 (TurboGL)
1024x768: 30.4 (ICD), 35.4 (TurboGL)

32-bit color depth, 32-bit textures, demo2
640x480: 30.9 (ICD), 48.4 (TurboGL)
800x600: 30.7 (ICD), 47.6 (TurboGL)
1024x768: 29.5 (ICD), 34.9 (TurboGL)

16-bit color depth, 16-bit textures, demo1
640x480: 32.2 (ICD), 51.2 (TurboGL)
800x600: 32.4 (ICD), 50.8 (TurboGL)
1024x768: 31.5 (ICD), 44.6 (TurboGL)

16-bit color depth, 16-bit textures, demo2
640x480: 30.7 (ICD), 48.5 (TurboGL)
800x600: 30.7 (ICD), 48.4 (TurboGL)
1024x768: 29.9 (ICD), 44.6 (TurboGL)

Now compare those to a Voodoo3 3000 with a P3-450 on a generic (Gateway) 440BX motherboard, 256MB PC100 RAM, Q3 "normal" setting:

16-bit color depth, 16-bit textures, V3 demo1
640x480: 44.3
800x600: 43.6
1024x768: 39.2

16-bit color depth, 16-bit textures, V3 demo2
640x480: 42.4
800x600: 41.9
1024x768: 39.0

The TurboGL at 16-bit is faster than the Voodoo3 3000 at all speeds, and the TurboGL at 32-bit is faster than the V3 at 16-bit at resolutions under 1024x768. I'm suitably impressed.

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System specs (well, everyone else is doing it!):

Asus P2B-F motherboard
Pentium III 450, no overclock
G400MAX/32DH, no overclock
192 MB PC100 RAM
SB Live Value
Hauppauge WinTV PCI
ReelMagic Hollywood+
USR 56K ISA
Win98 SE

[Scytale]

Nice overview... I think it's safe to conclude that 800/32 is the sweet spot for the G400(32MB)/Q3/TGL combo. At this res Q3 looks great and performance is downright excellent - TurboGL really shines at this res.

[Maniac]

How does the Turbo GL fare at 1024X768 32-bit color and 16-bit textures. (this is what I use to play)

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Celeron 300A@464 2.0V, Abit BH6 G400 16meg DH@150/200, Western Digital Expert 18gig, Ricoh mp7040A, Pioneer 6X DVD slot load, Motorola Cable Modem w/DEC ethernet card, Soundblaster Live Value Ver. 2, Viewsonic GT 775

[DrFizix]

Maniac, the numbers for 1024x768 at 16-bit and 32-bit were 44.6 and 35.4 respectively. That was in my earlier posts but may have been difficult to pull out of all the numbers. I didn't have an easy way to make a table with the posting system, so it's a bit of a mess.

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System specs (well, everyone else is doing it!):

Asus P2B-F motherboard
Pentium III 450, no overclock
G400MAX/32DH, no overclock
192 MB PC100 RAM
SB Live Value
Hauppauge WinTV PCI
ReelMagic Hollywood+
USR 56K ISA
Win98 SE

[DrFizix]

Oops, Maniac, I misread your question. I'll try 1024x768x32 with 16-bit textures when I get home tonight.

[John Rambo]

Good benchmarks, but I hope your TEXTURE DETAIL SLIDER was at 4/4 FULL position. I`m right?
Bilinear or trilinear ?

1024x768x32x32 35.4fps DOH!! Love this resolution, but I got 21.2fps without TGL.


bye

[DrFizix]

John,

No, I left my texture slider at 3/4, which was the default "normal" setting. I also left filtering on bilinear. I may try to bench the 4/4 and trilinear settings tonight if my 3-year-old lets me "share" the computer tonight (he's got a few computer games of his own).

[DrFizix]

Some numbers y'all requested:

Maniac:

1024x768x32depth/16-bit textures: 37.6 fps
1024x768x32depth/32-bit textures: 35.4 fps
both with TurboGL

John Rambo:
P3-450, 192 MB RAM, G400Max, no overclock
TurboGL, trilinear filter, texture slider 4/4

640x480: 45.6 demo1, 46.1 demo2
800x600: 35.0 demo1, 35.6 demo2
1024x768: 23.1 demo1, 22.6 demo2

Trilinear filtering and 4/4 textures starts to choke it up on this setup. I'm going to run at 800x600x32 with 32-bit textures and 3/4 texture quality.


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System specs (well, everyone else is doing it!):

Asus P2B-F motherboard
Pentium III 450, no overclock
G400MAX/32DH, no overclock
192 MB PC100 RAM
SB Live Value
Hauppauge WinTV PCI
ReelMagic Hollywood+
USR 56K ISA
Win98 SE

[Dude]

Wanna hear something weird???

With all my settings at max (32-bit everything, slider to full detail, tri-linear filtering) at 1024x768 my TurboGL is slower than the regular ICD.

ICD=20 FPS
TurboGL= 17.7 FPS

What's up with that?!?!?!

Can anybody confirm this, or is something hosed???


My sys:
PIII 500, 128 Meg, G400.....

[Dude]

What?!?!? My TurboGL is slower then the regular ICD in all comparisons!?!?!?! What up!?!?!? Can anybody make since of this???

I just ran:
32-bit color depth, 32-bit textures, demo1
Bi-linear, slide bar at 3/4.
1024x768: 27.3(ICD), 24(TurboGL)


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[legaljaxor]

p3-450 @ .6k (4.5x133) 256ram
high quality(8x6)(except with bilinear and 16bitZ)
demo001 58fps using turboGL

i can live with it

cph

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[legaljaxor]

oops g400 @150/200

[Ali]

Thanks everybody for your help getting things working with the TurboGl.

I had trouble forgetting to change resolutions back after a game, so came up with this simple batch file to do it for me.

copy g400_q3config.cfg q3config.cfg /y
cd ..
quake3.exe

Just put that in a file called g400.bat in your \demoq3 directory, and run you shortcut to that instead of to quake3.exe

Make sure you have a config file with the resolution set to 800X600X32 called g400_q3config.cfg in the same directory.

Hope this helps someone.

Oh yeah, bench marks.

1024X768X32X32 4/4 slider, bilinear 47.5fps on demo001

P3 @ 618 and G400 @ 120%

If I run the CPU at 672 (6*112, 2.3V) and everything else the same I only get 45.2fps (and the occasional crash). Strange.


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P3 600@618, 128Mb CAS2 RAM, Abit BX6R2.02, G400 32 DH, Voodoo2 SLI, Adaptec 2940UW, soundblaster 32 ISA, D-link 10/100 NIC, 36XCD, 6X4X24 CD-RW, 2X4 DVD-RAM, Zip100, Cheetah HDD, Medalist Pro HDD, 20inch KTX as Primary, 15inch TVM as secondary, KTX speakers with a sub, and some other suff I have forgotten.

[John Rambo]

Hello DrFizix,

Doh! your turbogl is slower than my openglICD

my exact numbers: http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/Forum4/HTML/001784.html

p2 400(4x112) G400DH32MB openGLICD
1024x768x32x32 4/4 slider trilinear G400126/168
21.2fps

overclocked to FO=297,Gclk=148.5,Mem=198...
I got 24.3fps(ICD) vs your 23.1fps(TGL).

PLEASE FOR ALL, BENCHMARK QUAKE3DEMO WITH TEXTURE DETAIL SLIDER 4/4 FULL!!!!!!!!!

No speed gain for TURBOGL at these conditions.. BAD WORK MATROX,really!!!!!!

heheh, next matrox opengl stuff -- "that another release was probably a month or two away" --Matrox COMDEX at FIRINGSQUAD


regards
JOHN RAMBO